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Hi Dave, I'm Kim!

I have work early in the morning but I'll answer your questions as soon as I get home, i promise!

Becky Lee @ 10/10/2013 1:24

Bitter

and proud! :D

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Katie, I adore you! [SHOCKER] You played a character and made this game much more interesting and fun. Thank you for that!I loved every single "argument" we had. Gotta say, bringing so much attention to yourself might have not been the smartest move but you pulled it off. You are ASS-worthy player.

I have to say, I am pleasantly surprised by this. I figured you might respect me as a nemesis in the game, but I am very shocked to hear everything else. Thank you very much!

1. Convince me that your game is better than Kim's. What were you better at than Kim?
~ My game was a lot more real than Kim's, I didn't have to pretend to be friend's with anyone, butter up jurors or try to play all sides of the fence. I think my game was a lot more straight-forward. Kim was a target constantly, I wasn't despite the fact that EVERYONE knew where I stood all game long. When I became a target and started getting votes it no longer mattered, I had two idols and I was in the majority where I could have never been voted out.

Apparently, according to people, my jury management was better than hers as well even though I never had to fake it with anyone. That speaks volumes of the game I played and how my straight-up approach was probably better than hers. I also had more of a say in decisions when she was too busy with work, and real life which is beyond understandable.

2. Outside of you alliance (Erinn, Shane, David), if you had to choose one jury member to be in the finals with you (instead of Kim), who would that person be and WHY?
~ Believe it or not I would pick Becky because we had a really good friendship early on and I would have liked to see her go the distance with me. Sadly she chose the wrong side to support. Maybe Aras since I feel we did him dirty. But I think I'd choose Becky.

3. Describe each and every jury member with an animal. (Gotta be honest, I'm expecting you to say that I'm a donkey)
I wanted to be a zoologist at some point, so I am going to take my time on this one. I want to pick an animal that fits people perfectly, and I am very anal when it comes to zoology. Chances are that a lot of them are going to be very obscure, so just read the descriptions, and hopefully it would make more sense. I'll get back to this once I have a more clear idea.

4. Is there a jury member whose vote you think you got? Or at least the one you know you have better chances of getting a jury vote from, than Kim does.
~ I thought I had David's, actually, but after reading his statement I don't think that is the case. As for better chances... I am hoping maybe yours after reading statements, but I can't say for sure.

5. I'm trying to become a better player, and this was my 4th or 5th ORG ever, so tell me, what part of my game should I improve, what are my weaknesses? I hope you'll be brutally honest as you always were.
~ I don't know if I ever told you this, but I am actually not American. I wasn't born here, so I can relate to being a foreigner with a completely different culture. I think you played a solid game with your allies, however, I also know in our original tribe a lot of us were turned off because you were too bossy, trying to take control and often-times you were viewed as condescending. A lot of my venting about you stems to the fact you were treating me like you thought I was stupid. No one likes someone who thinks they are better than others, and you came accross that way a lot. I think it might be cultural, however, as foreigners it is US who have to change around because we are the ones who are playing in other people's territory.

So, basically, you need to realize how you come accross and be WAY more self-aware, many times during conversations I would say something snippy or hint that I was getting annoyed with you [or during the chat] and you would either pretend it didn't happen or didn't notice. Either way, I think that is something you can definitely improve with.

Oh, and don't make a million alliances from the get-go and tell three different people they are your number one. It's super see-through ;)

Um, thank you very much!
But I just don't get the last statement. I told three different people that they are mine number one? Could you please name those because I'm pretty sure that was not the case.

Yeah, no problem. I know for a fact you told me that. Then either Becky or Sarah said you told them that too (I don't remember which one tho) and then apparently you said that to Jenn too.

Hi Dave!

Sorry it took so long, work was a madhouse.

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I feel like you had you super awesome tight F5 alliance and you didn't really reach out to other players outside of it. I might be wrong.

Well, no offense but you kinda are. :p

Before merge I talked to a LOT of people, even people who werent around much like Mangie and Anthony. I also had a really good friendship with Sierra from day one of the game, and I was talking to her the entire time even after the Aras vote when she was clearly not with me as an ally any more. I also had an alliance with Aras for a long time, because we got along really well, and I had some really good talks with Becky too. Plus I did try to talk to Charlie a bit, but like he said we were pretty much always on opposite sides and gunning for each other so it was awkward as all get out - but I did still try!

So I did reach out to other people and talk to them. I didnt talk to you much, thats true, but thats partly because of time zones and partly because Id been told by tons of people that you were gunning for me for a long time without ever having even been on a team with me. Id have loved to talk to you, but when we merged it was pretty obvious that I wasnt going to be able to strategize with you, and if I had come to you to try and be all friendly it would of just seemed fake and like I was trying to suck up for your vote, and thats not really how I roll.

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TBH, I don't think you are ASS-worthy player because you're kinda vanilla.

And thats exactly what I wanted people to think. After all, you yourself said that I was always seen as the number 2 threat, and alot of people have said that I was someone that was a target a lot of the time, so I had to make moves and be a lot sneakier and a lot less visible to try and get that target away from me. Yeah, I didnt make a lot of waves and cause a lot of drama, but I didnt make a lot of enemies either, and that's a huge part of what got me here.

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Questions: 1. Convince me that your game is better than Katie's. What were you better at than Katie?

Alright, well, I dont wanna talk trash about Katie or downplay her game, cause that's not how I roll, so Im going to try not to do that.

I was better at challenges, for sure.

I was also better at putting strategy above selfishness, if that makes sense. I never cared about whether a plan was mine or someone else's, I only cared about whether the plan would help us to win. Katie didn't do that. She has talked about not wanting to listen to my plans because she wanted to do her own thing, and that nearly cost us the game a few times. She didn't listen to my idol plan at the final seven, and we nearly lost David. She didn't listen to me at the final five, and she would have had to go against Shane in a tiebreaker if the hosts hadn't fooled us with early Rites of Passage. Sure, things turned out okay in the end, but only because of luck or other people's mistakes, and it could totally have come back to bite us, and almost did a few times. If someone runs across the freeway and dodges traffic without getting hit, sure, they made it, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been smarter to use the crosswalk.

I also think I was better connected with the alliance, at least at first. There were a couple of times at the merge where Katie talked to me about feeling like she was on the outs, because me and Shane and David and Erinn had a chat group that she wasn't in, and sometimes we would be having a chat and I would have to fill her in on what was going on.

And I guess I was better at trusting my allies? I was totally open with Erinn and Katie about everything I was doing, but Katie decided to keep her idols secret from me. Im not sure why that was, because I think it would have made the whole merge a lot less stressful for us and we wouldn't have wasted time taking out people like Angie and Aras when we could have gone for threats like Charlie and Dave.

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2. If you could, would you choose Erinn over Katie to go with you to F2?

I already said this in Erinn's question, but yep I would! I like Katie a lot and I was totally loyal to her, but I clicked with Erinn a lot better. She was epicly deserving plus she and I were both huge threats so it would have been nice to go up against her and see which of us would have won.

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Her, obviously! :p

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3. Did you not care about jury votes? Your jury management was kinda poor.

How so?

TBH I dont really know what I should of done differently. I was social with everybody except you and Penner, and that was because the two of you had been working to vote me out when you werent even on my team. I also never screwed around with people and lied to them unless I had to do it to survive, and the only time that was different was at final seven, and I have already explained to Charlie what happened there and how it wasn't supposed to be like that.

I guess I could have been a bit more social with people, but tbh I think that that would have been really fake. I had allies that I wasn't going to turn on, and so why would I go up to someone and try to make friends with them and then vote them off? It's pretty fake to be nice to someone just so they'll vote for you, and I think that'd be worse jury management, to be honest.

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4. Who is the person you hated/disliked the most?

Jenn, for sure. She said some AWFUL things to Sierra and I couldnt believe that anybody would be THAT mean over a silly online game.

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5. I'm trying to become a better player, and this was my 4th or 5th ORG ever, so tell me, what part of my game should I improve, what are my weaknesses?

Well, Im not an expert or anything, and I only know your game based on what I heard from other people, but as someone who was against you here is what I'd say.

I think that you came on really strong right from the get go, both strategically and in challenges, and thats a really hard strategy to pull off long term, especially in a cast this big where people have a lot more time to make plans against people who are threats. Even though Charlie was a monster in the challenges, people were still always looking at you as a target because you came off SO strong, and thats because you were right out in front as a threat the whole time.

Sometimes its better to hang back a bit and downplay your skill so that people don't see you as as much of a threat - as an example, I told everybody I googled a list for the first challenge, but that was a lie. I knew people were already saying I was a huge threat, and I didn't want people to think that I was too smart based on that challenge, so I pretended that Id taken an easy way out. I also didnt answer some of the questions on the survey the way I thought majority would, because I didnt want people to think, "Oh, Kim thinks she's in control of the game," and come against me.

Beyond that, Id say that its not a good idea to make deals that are going to instantly be proven fake. You told me you would get people not to vote me in the round that Charlie left, but I found out from Aras that it was a ploy, and then I got three votes. That move told me instantly that there was no way I could ever trust you, and burned a bridge that you could have potentially used later.

In general I have always found that its better to tell the truth whenever possible, and limit yourself to little lies when it isn't. That strategy is a LOT harder to do, and it takes a lot of finesse, but it helps you establish credibility. Most people have a one-lie limit: you get caught in one lie, and they never have a reason to believe anything you say again. Nobody wants to work with a liar. But if you're known for telling the truth, then when your back is against the wall and you need people to believe you, there's a much better chance that they will.

But beyond that I think you played a pretty good game, especially for being so new. You were strong in the challenges and it seems like you had a good alliance going, if things had been a bit different and Jenn hadn't disappeared I think you could definitely have wound up in the finals. But that's just my perspective. I would say what could be really helpful would be to read your allies' confessionals after the game and see what they really thought of you, that will tell you a LOT about how you're coming across to people. Heck I'm learning the same thing at this TC.


Thanks for all your questions Dave! Hopefully that showed a bit more about me and where I'm comin from, but let me know if theres anything else you wanna know!

Thank you Kim, you made my voting decision a lot lot harder!!

Katie Hanson @ 10/10/2013 17:08

Yeah, no problem. I know for a fact you told me that. Then either Becky or Sarah said you told them that too (I don't remember which one tho) and then apparently you said that to Jenn too.

Um, that was really a begining of the game. I was trying to figure out a way to go so I wanted to work with you, Becky and Sarah but I don't remember promising you F2.

Jenn and David were my F3 until the merge. After that the people I wanted to be in F3 changed but were mostly Charlie and Sierra. But thank you for your answer.

Best of luck you girls, whichever of you wins this, she deserved it for sure. Atm I have no idea who am I voting for even though I was leaning towards Katie before Kim's answer. Idk

And yeah Katie, in the game , Dave hated ya but as a third person, a watcher, I love awesome characters in ORGs, so I definitely adore the character you played :3

You didn't promise me Final two. You called me your number one. And yes it was early but we compared notes and when we figured you had said to more than one person that we were your number one it made us mistrust you.

Anyways, thanks for the compliments. Good luck with your decision.

Katie I still need you to answer my third question :P

OMG I'm an idiot. I forgot. Sorry!
No one better get offended with the comparisons. It makes sense. Just read.

Hope - To me Hope was an okapi, it's one of my favorite animals. They are regal and elusive, and I really want to see one. Just like an okapi, Hope is regal and I always wanted to meet her but she met her demise far too early.

Penner - This was by far the hardest, but I am going with a lycaon. They are pack animals which attack as a group, and are very protective of each other. I think that Penner was very protective of his alliance-mates and played this game hard, strong and with a mentality of getting not only himself but his real allies to the end.

Jay - A squirrel monkey. Jay is playful, and fun and doesn't seem to take things too seriously, but I know that if he gets pissed he goes ape-shit. See what I did there? Ha! I'm so funny.

Angelia - A leech. I know it sounds awful, BUT it's not a bad things. Leeches are basically bad-asses, they attach themselves to an animal, drink their blood then giving zero fucks of what the animal thinks they leave them and then go drink someone else's blood. They are hard to get rid of, and they are sneaky. Likewise, Angie was sneaky, she was hard to get rid of in the sense that she was so connected that anyone could have told her, and no one knew where she stood. Angie gave zero fucks about anyone in the game, it seems, so I think her leeching off the life of others is accurate in that sense.

Aras - He is like one of those lions that people keep as a pet. They think they are cuddly little kitties, then they turn around and kill you while trying to play with you. Not because Aras would have killed us, but he could have had that opportunity had he not been freed into wilderness in time.

Dave - I don't think you are like a donkey at all. That would mean I think you have a big dong, hahaha. Just kidding, in all seriousness I don't think you are THAT stubborn. If anything, I think you would be more like a mongoose because you were not scared of taking on the cobra [me] even though it was a losing battle ;) you are also strong, capable and smart. And you can argue with the best [once again, me] and sometimes even win in a battle of wits.

Erinn - Erinn is a cougar. Pretty self explanatory.

Sierra - Pitbull, even though I do think Sierra is crazy, sometimes I feel she gets a worst reputation than she deserves. However, I also know that she can be vicious and tear people apart, like a pitbull, which also means if you are on her side she is loyal and docile.

Charlie - Dolphin. He is fun to be around, very "athletic" and everyone's favorite [especially the jury!]. Very few people know how aggressive dolphins can be though, I mean for fucks sake they have been known for destroying sharks in fights.

Becky - A hippo. Everyone loves hippo's, they are hilarious, amusing and adorable. But very few people know they are one of the most aggressive and dangerous animals out there. Their bite can basically destroy a croc and you know those fuckers have thick skin. When Becky attacks, she is VICIOUS.

David - A baby chick! Mostly because I felt like a mother hen when it came to him, anyone who messed with David I felt the need to destroy. He also managed to charm everyone into thinking he was this innocent ball of adorableness, then he grew up into a rooster and owned bitches.

EDIT: I forgot the bold tags don't work, so I added spaces between paragraphs so it's easier to read.