The "bread" is required to be sliced post-baking in order to put the filling in, so there is a reason an open-faced sandwich has sandwich in the name

Merc wants us to have special names for these because Iceland does. English has sandwich for everything that meets my above definition (and that's why hot dogs are still sandwiches).

The fact that a number of people who argued that a hot dog isn't a sandwich because "sandwich" isn't mentioned have also come in here to indicate an open-faced sandwich is not a sandwich need to be more consistent in their deliveries.

Spin @ 14/8/2018 16:45

It's no more a sandwich than pizza.

Earlier Spin is also arguing with current Spin

http://www.ndimforums.com/fe/thread.asp?threadid=6154&postsby=1417#346869

Mercator @ 15/8/2018 13:40

vladykins @ 15/8/2018 9:42 The "bread" is required to be sliced post-baking in order to put the filling in, so there is a reason an open-faced sandwich has sandwich in the name Merc wants us to have special names for these because Iceland does. English has sandwich for everything that meets my above definition (and that's why hot dogs are still sandwiches). So you're saying that if a thing has sliced bread then it's a sandwich, even though nothing is being sandwiched? That makes Caesar salad a sandwich. Only the Scandinavian style open faced sandwiches have a special name, most open faced sandwiches are just called bread with xxx, since it's bread with something on top, again, nothing is being sandwiched. If you're trying to argue that it's a sandwich because of the name, then you should also try to argue that people only have 8 fingers.

No, I'm saying if a thing requires that a baked "bread" item must be sliced in order to place a filling, then it is a sandwich. Thus a calzone or burrito is not a sandwich. A hot dog requires that the bun be sliced in order to receive the hot dog filling, thus a hot dog is a sandwich. You can take a flat bread and throw meat on it and it is not a sandwich. But if you slice bread and put meat on it, you have made an open-faced sandwich.

As for the thumb, it can be called the thumb finger. It's not required to have "sandwich" on there for it to be a sandwich, but if it is called sandwich, then that means it has a pretty good chance of being a sandwich. Just like a thumb can be a finger and a pinky can be a finger and people know you are talking about specific fingers without having to put "finger" on there.

So you are scared of traveling in space now because of Alien?

Are the Riddick movies horror?

Curtis @ 15/8/2018 14:23

It cracks me up that you’re now forced to stick with that tremendously awful custom definition of the word horror. “It has to make you afraid of doing something IRL to be a horror movie” You can’t just redefine WORDS for the sake of your argument! Are you afraid to exorcise demons from your daughter after watching The Exorcist? Are you afraid to check into a hotel after watching The Shining? I have hope that one day you’ll look back and see how whack your definition is but I have a sneaking suspicion you’re already fully aware

There are a large number of people who are afraid of Satan and demon possession, so yes, people are deeply afraid of it IRL. I can't tell you how many people are still uncomfortable about hotel hallways like The shining, but the key thing people are afraid of from the Shining is: 1) Whether or not it is a haunting or not, which many people are afraid of IRL, and 2) a crazy person coming after you with an axe to try to murder you. I still get uncomfortable sometimes in showers because of Psycho. Horror plays on your fears, not just jump scares.

Outside of the Alex Jones watchers, most people aren't afraid that they might run into an alien wreck, investigate it, and find themselves impregnated with an alien. Thus why it is in my mind a sci fi thriller rather than a horror movie. Otherwise you start stretching horror into silly things like Disney's The Black Hole- look at the terror involved in your ship falling into a black hole. Terrifying! It must be horror! </sarcasm>

The Empire Strikes Back had a monster in it that almost ate the Millennium Falcon. Clearly this makes it a horror film.

And that Darth Vader walking around in a black suit menacing folks? So scary for little kids.

I mean, if you are gonna water down your horror label, you should go all the way.

Curtis @ 15/8/2018 14:47

Where do you fall on zombies Why is it fair to be afraid of demons and possession movies but you have to be an Alex Jones follower to be afraid of aliens So silly, all of it

No, you have to be an Alex Jones follower to think that there is a good chance you will run into a derelict alien ship on a different planet than ours that will lead to you being impregnated by an alien, since your ability to go there is limited by the Deep State that doesn't want you to use our developed space travel because then we will know about the reptile aliens amongst us already who are putting chemicals in the water to make the frogs gay.

As I said- not something that most people are worried about.

Now if you wanted to say Invasion of the Body Snatchers or The Thign were sci fi horror, then you have a good case. And these types of fears feed into people's natural paranoias and thus have the Alex Jones crew waaaaay off the scale.

Mercator @ 15/8/2018 14:53

vladykins @ 15/8/2018 11:58 Mercator @ 15/8/2018 13:40 vladykins @ 15/8/2018 9:42 The "bread" is required to be sliced post-baking in order to put the filling in, so there is a reason an open-faced sandwich has sandwich in the name Merc wants us to have special names for these because Iceland does. English has sandwich for everything that meets my above definition (and that's why hot dogs are still sandwiches). So you're saying that if a thing has sliced bread then it's a sandwich, even though nothing is being sandwiched? That makes Caesar salad a sandwich. Only the Scandinavian style open faced sandwiches have a special name, most open faced sandwiches are just called bread with xxx, since it's bread with something on top, again, nothing is being sandwiched. If you're trying to argue that it's a sandwich because of the name, then you should also try to argue that people only have 8 fingers. No, I'm saying if a thing requires that a baked "bread" item must be sliced in order to place a filling, then it is a sandwich. Thus a calzone or burrito is not a sandwich. A hot dog requires that the bun be sliced in order to receive the hot dog filling, thus a hot dog is a sandwich. You can take a flat bread and throw meat on it and it is not a sandwich. But if you slice bread and put meat on it, you have made an open-faced sandwich. As for the thumb, it can be called the thumb finger. It's not required to have "sandwich" on there for it to be a sandwich, but if it is called sandwich, then that means it has a pretty good chance of being a sandwich. Just like a thumb can be a finger and a pinky can be a finger and people know you are talking about specific fingers without having to put "finger" on there. Shit on top of a slice of bread isn't a filling at all, a filling is inside or between something, your argument is invalid, come up with a better one. A crouton is a sliced baked bread which is then rebaked, there's other stuff there too and if you call it a filling, which it isn't like the shit on top of a slice of bread, then by your definition it is a sandwich.

Croutons are put on top of other things, unless you are using croutons totally differently than most people. So there is no way they would ever be made into a sandwich.

How about this: What if I put peanut butter on a slice of bread and eat it? What if I fold that slice over? I am eating the same exact thing, except in one case the filling is on top and in the second I've folded it over.

If you are going to say the second is not a sandwich, then there are a lot of small children who will be upset with you (at least the ones that don't have nut allergies).

Mercator @ 15/8/2018 14:54

You do a lot of arguing for someone so bad at making logical arguments.

Not at all- I've established a definition and you attempted to stretch the definition into somewhere it doesn't go. For someone attempting to argue the issue, you actually have to think about the definition. Otherwise, you are missing out on a lot of "sandwiches" if you go with your strict two slices of bread definition.

I'm still waiting for you to make a logical argument about the definition I presented, Merc. All I've heard is "I don't like it!" and "Here's something that doesn't meet your definition but I'll try it anyway because I don't like it!"

Curtis is in the same boat- he needs to provide me with a definition of horror to him. Otherwise anything with a scary scene is horror. So provide me with a counter definition that also includes everything else out there commonly called a sandwich or horror.

Curtis @ 15/8/2018 16:06

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_film Everything you need is right there buddy boy. Study up!

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A horror film is a film that seeks to elicit a physiological reaction, such as an elevated heartbeat, through the use of fear and shocking one’s audiences. <snip> Horror films often aim to evoke viewers' nightmares, fears, revulsions and terror of the unknown. Plots within the horror genre often involve the intrusion of an evil force, event, or personage into the everyday world.

Sounds like they almost wrote my definition the same, especially that "everyday world". It's why I think their inclusion of The Thing works but their inclusion of Alien is questionable in that it waters down the horror designation. For example, Wikipedia designates Aliens as a "science fiction action horror". AT what point do you add some many descriptors that it is no longer a useful definition? Thus why I used Empire Strikes Back and The Black Hole as examples.

Plus that wikipedia article put Scary Movie on the list- it is a parody of a horror movie, but not a horror movie in the slightest.