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| Post #31: 3rd May 2013 5:16:38 AM | |
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| Btw, what do you guys thnk of the "Queens Amulet"? |
I am starting to think there is no amulet. Surely someone would have come forward by now. |
I've wondered that as well. |
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| Post #32: 3rd May 2013 5:39:46 AM | |
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Arimnestos: 1 shot definte kill
Sophia: 50/50
Helm: Ammo
Ajax: Shotgun
Everyone good with this? |
Yup, looks good to me. Only request would be that if the shotgun is passed to Helm that she pass the crystal off first, but I think based on our earlier convo about it that is kind of a given.
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I don't mind but I was going to be holding the ammo, not the shotgun.
Are there more shotguns for the ammo to use with somewhere else? |
I was just meaning if Ajax was going to pass the gun to you.
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Oh, well I was thinking more the other way around.
I pass the ammo to him when he needs it. |
I thought that way too, but wanted to mention the other while we were putting everything on the table. |
Ok that's fair.
We can just tell Ajax not to pass me the gun.
Or if he needs to leave for some reason for a while then yes I can pass the crystal.
To... you or Kristoff or Maria (who has no use for it honestly) |
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Well, people can follow me if I use it, which is more than they can do if I use my power. :) |
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| Btw, what do you guys thnk of the "Queens Amulet"? |
I am starting to think there is no amulet. Surely someone would have come forward by now. |
I've wondered that as well. |
I wondered it a lot as well.
The whole thief thing still worries me.
We could still well have that thief in our midst and they could end up stealing some more items.
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| Maria (who has no use for it honestly) |
Well, people can follow me if I use it, which is more than they can do if I use my power. :) |
Well you have no use for it as far as an escape route goes.
It's actually more dangerous than your regular portal jumping power since it doesn't say it won't set traps off. |
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| Post #33: 3rd May 2013 5:59:29 AM | |
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I don't know if the queen's totem never existed (why would she say it was stolen if it never existed?), but I think it's weird that she never got it back and sounded like she had given up on getting it back.
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Well, people can follow me if I use it, which is more than they can do if I use my power. :) |
Well you have no use for it as far as an escape route goes.
It's actually more dangerous than your regular portal jumping power since it doesn't say it won't set traps off. |
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| Not that losong hope in getting something back is suspicious by itself, but the totem sounded really important to her. |
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| Helm, there was nothing in the flavour of the sea creature that said anything about it attacking or hurting me, that's why. As for the explosion, nothing I can say to change people's opinions. This labyrinth has got many things with different degrees of damage they inflict. |
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| Post #34: 3rd May 2013 1:58:29 PM | |
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| Helm, there was nothing in the flavour of the sea creature that said anything about it attacking or hurting me, that's why. As for the explosion, nothing I can say to change people's opinions. This labyrinth has got many things with different degrees of damage they inflict. |
It just seemed weird for something like that to happen with no I'll effects.
I suppose not all sea creatures are as mean as the one whole tore scott up... or me. |
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| I believe if anything in here is meant to have an effect, it would be stated like "The creature pounced towards and grabbed Tyrese", something to that effect. If it was written like that, then you would be able to say it's weird there was no effect from that (or like the explosion where it blew up as I held it). The sea creature never got close enough to come in contact with me. |
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I would choose Peter >>>>> Arimnestos
Ari is never here to do anything if we were to need the gun. |
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I would choose Peter >>>>> Arimnestos
Ari is never here to do anything if we were to need the gun. |
Yeah if you want someone who is on all the time you shouldn't chose me I have finals at the moment and all my energy
goes into that certainly. But the comment about me never being here is false, when the phase changes it is often the
middle of the night for me so when I get on everything that needs to be said has been said in my opinion. I however
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| eThanks Hobert :3 youa re a weet little kids arent you :))0 awwwwww |
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I do not mind Arimnestos having gun. Lot of people have weapons if something comes in room to kill us. If it was only weapon I might be concerned.
Can we as well, try and stop "forcing" people to roleclaim? Saying I dont trust "this person" because we don't know his role will only fuel him to claim to try and prove he is good. No one wants to be treated unequally because he is doing what is best for whole group.
By that I mean keeping as many roles hidden as possible. There are what, perhaps 7 people who have not claimed in this group? We know one of them is doctor. What would happen if 5 of those people would claim to prove their innocence and stop all this bad mouthing towards them? Bad guys would know who doctor is, which is very bad. Could be very possible that some bad guy role is seeing all threads, gathering information, which is very dangerous. If he has all roles he can easily dismantle us, since he knows all weak spots.
One person with gun in 17 man group is hardly dangerous, worst he can do is kill one person and then either be lynched or branded enemy of state. One person with 4 guns is dangerous. We shouldnt pack items on people we "think" are good. We should divide power. That is only way we will succeed. Putting all eggs in one basket is dangerous. If person with all guns would hit teleport trap or red room or something like that and be taken away from us we would be defenseless.
Winning conditions change. Never forget that. No one is ever confirmed anything. Hobert it doesnt matter how often you say you are confirmed town, it does not necessarily make it true. Fact that you need to constantly remind us makes me wary.
There are lot of ways bad guys could have passed your test. Maybe bad guys got good guy winning conditions to look at from start. Maybe everyone started as good but some got mad in some select phase (like when we all met or phase 10 etc) so they would know good guy alignment text. Maybe you and Kristoff are in cahoots and some kind of twinsies evils. Perhaps when some people touch weapons(like explosives, knife) they turn evil. Perhaps winning conditions have changed since you did test. Possibilities are endless.
I am not saying I think you are scum, I actually think you are town. I am not saying I believe any of those things that I just said. I am just stating possibilities that come to mind and that its dangerous to claim someone 100% town. Whether its me, you, Kristoff, Lee, whoever. We must be vigilant and ever watchful.
We can only trust each other until someone shows they are not worthy of said trust anymore. (See Carl). Creating classes in citizenship(claimers and none claimers) will only help divide us further and make people feel they are not part of group. This will be our downfall.
We should judge people on how they act. Some of us might not have cool information roles like Dennis, Brittany, Kristoff etc but does that really make us untrustworthy? What have any of us none claimers ever done to harm this group? I do not believe we deserve all this bad mouthing and mistrust.
I for one am getting very tired of being treated like child by some people here because I know keeping my role hidden will help group and help keep doctor safe and other possible power roles.
I came here to end Willis. To end plight of this world. End thing governments of this world are afraid of, too scared to deal with themselves. I did not come here to be disrespected by my fellow soldiers. I did not come here to be treated like child.
I dont want guns. I only want to be treated right. Not like shit in corner. I wont roleclaim but if you guys keep insisting that those who havnt are "bad" I might reconsider one day, just to be done with this nonsense.
I hope I did not trample on some feelings. Everyone is saying we need to say what we are thinking and these are mine. None of them where meant to hurt anyone, only to try and help group. |
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I have nothing as of now, but maybe all updates aren't completed yet? Also, I was last post in the thread, but Katy posted her exit after me I believe. Not sure if it may go by that instead? |
I didn't get any items.
And since the note with the code is missing, would someone like to make a new one? |
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| I did not get any items if anyone is wondering. Only have walkie. Whoever has other one hasnt turned it on in while. |
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I don't mind really, I would rather not be put in a position were I needed to kill someone.
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When it comes to Katy- I have a hard time believing she survived that sun room trap with just a minor injury. |
It wasn't really minor, my whole body got burned. It was extremely painful, but luckily our mysterious healer fixed me right up.
But what do you mean by that exactly? That you think I didn't really survive the room or that I did something to survive it? |
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I agree with the General. Who should get to say who is trustworthy or not just because they roleclaim? No offense to anyone who has, but just because we know someone's role doesn't mean we know their win condition. I am just saying.
For example, just because person a can sense x and x happening (used this example because it's vague and not about anyone in particular, and neither is what I'm saying lol), doesn't mean that their win condition is to defeat Willis. |
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| Post #35: 3rd May 2013 4:43:25 PM | |
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What about Peter?
Forgot about him.
He seems to handle the medical kit pretty well. |
Thanks. :)
Anyway ignore my last post about someone explaining everything that's been said because I got over my laziness (and possible intoxication) and read it for myself. 1) We need to stop automatically trusting people just because they claimed their role. Just because we know their role DOES NOT mean we know their alignment. 2) I don't understand why we're splitting the ammo from the shotgun, since the other two weapons BOTH have ammunition in them, then there's nothing we can even do for them. All we're effecting is how fast we'd maybe be to use the item. Seems inefficient to me. And 3) I have a question to Airlea. Your bow & arrows are supposed to be used to shoot through doors, not to shoot people? So why are we just labeling them as a weapon? Can they be used as a weapon, I guess?
I'm being rushed otherwise I'd probably write more right now but I'll be back later. :) Just wanted to get this out there while it was fresh on my mind, y'all! |
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What about Peter?
Forgot about him.
He seems to handle the medical kit pretty well. |
Thanks. :)
Anyway ignore my last post about someone explaining everything that's been said because I got over my laziness (and possible intoxication) and read it for myself. 1) We need to stop automatically trusting people just because they claimed their role. Just because we know their role DOES NOT mean we know their alignment. 2) I don't understand why we're splitting the ammo from the shotgun, since the other two weapons BOTH have ammunition in them, then there's nothing we can even do for them. All we're effecting is how fast we'd maybe be to use the item. Seems inefficient to me. And 3) I have a question to Airlea. Your bow & arrows are supposed to be used to shoot through doors, not to shoot people? So why are we just labeling them as a weapon? Can they be used as a weapon, I guess?
I'm being rushed otherwise I'd probably write more right now but I'll be back later. :) Just wanted to get this out there while it was fresh on my mind, y'all! |
They do shoot through doors but if someone is through those doors the arrow will stick in them.
Doesn't have much effect when we're together but a bad person with the could shoot at us from a distance and we'd be unable to retaliate,
So technically it's a weapon.
I'd call anything able to injure under any circumstances a weapon. |
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I thought it was weird how she was the only one not to get her prize back.
Oh, the explosion thing is another reason why I'm wary of Tyrese. Just so everything's out on the table. |
I will admit him surviving the seemingly deadly sea creature while at the same time having an incurable wound is a bit... strange. |
That's a good point.
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I am starting to think there is no amulet. Surely someone would have come forward by now. |
Yeah I am thinking that too. Why make it up though? Thats what I wonder. |
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Although I agree with the General's point two parts should be remembered:
- Your role and win condition have to go together to aide you in winning.
- It's easier to trust what you believe you know then something completely unknown.
But I trust some who have not roleclaimed more than those who have in a few cases. |
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| I agree with Peter. I don't see the point in splitting up the shotgun and the ammo. I also am holding off passing things at least until the end of the phase. There are a few people who haven't been able to give their input on this and I want to at least give them this phase to do so. |
You believe we need more weapons? |
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I think the fewer active weapons the better as makes the task for evil people more difficult. |
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Although I agree with the General's point two parts should be remembered:
- Your role and win condition have to go together to aide you in winning.
- It's easier to trust what you believe you know then something completely unknown.
But I trust some who have not roleclaimed more than those who have in a few cases. |
This is true. However some roles that have been claimed can easily be bad guy roles if that person is holding something back.
You could be able to detect traps and then reset them.
Airlea could be controlling Cerberus and thus knows where he is
Hobert has two lives, would be good for bad guy to have two lives
Brittany´s ability can help bad people find items to use against good guys
Maria can travel without being hurt, would benefit bad person much
Arimnestos can travel two rooms at time, bad guys following someone could use that
Katy could be claiming vanilla but might have an ability
Dennis / Pai Chan can use their roles to locate people. Which can be used by bad guys
Tyrese´s voices could be Willis telling him what to do.
I guess Ajax probably has only role which I do not see bad guy gaining much. We have seen him being knocked out and locate other people so he seems to be truthful.
I am in no way accusing anyone of lying or anything like that. I am just saying that we should calm down on "people who have claimed are very likely good", that is very silly way to approach this.
I am also in no way saying we should 100% trust those who have not claimed, but do not bash us or call us untrustworthy please.
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Yeah but even if mine was to reset traps what would my win condition be? It couldn't be to kill everyone as that would put me at a serious disadvantage against to someone who could actually kill. Similar to Britt's. Unless if the win condition is like "Find items" (which would be immensely lame) then I don't see it. Maria's on the other hand I definitely agree with.
But as I said, I think roleclaiming is just a way to help establishing trust but is not fool-proof. |
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Yeah exactly. |
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I am in no way accusing anyone of lying or anything like that. I am just saying that we should calm down on "people who have claimed are very likely good", that is very silly way to approach this.
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I agree with you. I don't trust everyone who has claimed, and I also don't trust everyone who hasn't. There are people who have claimed that I trust just like there are people who haven't claimed that I trust. |
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Yeah but even if mine was to reset traps what would my win condition be? It couldn't be to kill everyone as that would put me at a serious disadvantage against to someone who could actually kill. Similar to Britt's. Unless if the win condition is like "Find items" (which would be immensely lame) then I don't see it. Maria's on the other hand I definitely agree with.
But as I said, I think roleclaiming is just a way to help establishing trust but is not fool-proof. |
Resetting traps would make it more likely for other people to walk into them. Like other group. I do not think this is part of your role just thought id mention the possibility.
Brittany could use items she finds with her ability to kill everyone.
I could be wrong but only 2/5 bad guys in Lab2 could directly kill people. Others would have to use other methods, like items or monsters.
In Lab1 I think only 1/4 could kill directly.
I could be wrong.
Items are much more important in this game than roles. Having right items will help you win. |
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I'm hoping you don't truly believe this but just want to clear it up. If I did actually control him, wouldn't it have been to my advantage then to allow the group to head directly for him (which is where they wanted to go) instead of speaking up and warning where he was? Also, I have been able to share info on other rooms as well, so it's not limited to the pup. |
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Their intention is to shoot through doors, and as far as a threat to anyone in this room, they are not. I guess Helm was concerned that they could be used differently though.
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Their intention is to shoot through doors, and as far as a threat to anyone in this room, they are not. I guess Helm was concerned that they could be used differently though.
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Quote fail, I was replying to Peter's question. |
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*Wakes up*
*Streeeeeetcheeeees*
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| Post #36: 3rd May 2013 5:09:51 PM | |
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| I'm confused- who has been forced to roleclaim? |
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Alright, so are we letting someone else have the weapons then those four?
Also, should we try to open up the other cabinet with a key? |
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| I'm confused- who has been forced to roleclaim? |
Hobert kept on whining that he didn't trust the people who hadn't role claimed and wanted the guns to go to the "chosen" once who had roleclaimed. |
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As many have said I do agree we keep the shotgun and shells together. If we were to come across an evil being we need a quick decision and cannot expect both people to be on at the same time to pass the shells on over. I do not know how this weapon works but it seems like it requires both and for simplicity sakes we need weapons to protect us.
At this stage I am all for weapons protecting us, not harming us in terms of decision making. Though I would say decision making has been the best way to go about things. It is best we be ready as an enemy of the whole group could be within striking distance at any time. |
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I'm hoping you don't truly believe this but just want to clear it up. If I did actually control him, wouldn't it have been to my advantage then to allow the group to head directly for him (which is where they wanted to go) instead of speaking up and warning where he was? Also, I have been able to share info on other rooms as well, so it's not limited to the pup. |
Like I said in same post I am not accusing anyone of lying about their roleclaim. Only pointing out that people who have roleclaimed are not 100% confirmed as town |
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Not sure if this is directed at me, but I didn't see one instance this entire Phase (or game really) where someone was 'mistrusted' for not role-claiming.
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| Can we as well, try and stop "forcing" people to roleclaim? Saying I dont trust "this person" because we don't know his role will only fuel him to claim to try and prove he is good. No one wants to be treated unequally because he is doing what is best for whole group. |
Just in case this is referring to me, I never ONCE said that I didn't trust Tyrese because I didn't know his role. There were countless other things provided that went into me not trusting him- and I've explicitly stated numerous times that the role has nothing to do with it.
If it's not referring to me, please state who you're talking about.
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| By that I mean keeping as many roles hidden as possible. There are what, perhaps 7 people who have not claimed in this group? We know one of them is doctor. What would happen if 5 of those people would claim to prove their innocence and stop all this bad mouthing towards them? Bad guys would know who doctor is, which is very bad. Could be very possible that some bad guy role is seeing all threads, gathering information, which is very dangerous. If he has all roles he can easily dismantle us, since he knows all weak spots. |
This has also been stated numerous times and seems to be the general consensus of the group. Once again, no one has been asked to roleclaim once. Not sure if you're aware, but the 'trust' discussion has to do with giving out the guns and the only suggestion regarding roles is that we should give guns to people whose roles we know.
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| One person with gun in 17 man group is hardly dangerous, worst he can do is kill one person and then either be lynched or branded enemy of state. One person with 4 guns is dangerous. We shouldnt pack items on people we "think" are good. We should divide power. That is only way we will succeed. Putting all eggs in one basket is dangerous. If person with all guns would hit teleport trap or red room or something like that and be taken away from us we would be defenseless. |
That's exactly what we're doing. We've pretty much made sure that no person who has a weapon or serious item is getting one of the guns.
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| Creating classes in citizenship(claimers and none claimers) will only help divide us further and make people feel they are not part of group. This will be our downfall. |
The above statement is pretty detrimental to the group, because you are creating the idea of a 'class divide' when there never was one in the first place, whilst acting like a voice of reason.
I understand that Hobert isn't a fan of non-claimers, but you aren't addressing Hobert. You seem to be addressing claimers- which itself creates the class conflict that you are apparently trying to defend.
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| We should judge people on how they act. Some of us might not have cool information roles like Dennis, Brittany, Kristoff etc but does that really make us untrustworthy? What have any of us none claimers ever done to harm this group? I do not believe we deserve all this bad mouthing and mistrust. |
Again, I have no idea what anyone has said negatively about you having not claimed except for the fact that you have not claimed- which you have interpreted to be negative. It just seems incredibly defensive. I know I personally have pretty much said I don't trust 3 people: 2 who have not role claimed and 1 that is. If you have a 2/3 margin to be "oppressive", I'm not going to apologize.
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| I wont roleclaim but if you guys keep insisting that those who havnt are "bad" I might reconsider one day, just to be done with this nonsense. |
I would like to see a quote where more than one person has stated that those who haven't roleclaimed shouldn't be trusted. I've only seen 1 person do it.
In conclusion, it upsets me pretty heavily that everyone just bandwagoned onto this speech. It's pretty telling of how our group functions. Yesterday we were able to talk about who we didn't trust in a kind, efficient manner, while still dividing the guns pretty fairly. I feel as though the General, regardless of intention, has turned yesterday's events into a shameful situation. This is not My Little Pony: The Cherry Blossom Maze. People need to talk about distrust.
And just to clarify even further, I agree with everything the General said out of the context in the situation in which it was said.
General, ignoring my rebuttal or not, if I fly I would like to have the walkie. It seems that the two people who have them are pretty busy right now- so if you could hand it over to me before I fly at some point, that would be great. |
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I've thought this as well. I also agree with your Brittany and Hobert assessments.
Hell, I could even use my jetpack for evil. |
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You're sick of being treated like a child General?
And I get what you're saying. I was never trying to get people to role claim but you also have to see enough people have some sort of weapon that one person getting teleported with more than one weapon wouldn't bother me. You're already willing to give one to someone who hardly comes around and wouldn't be able to use it when needed so how is that any different than giving it to someone who might get hit by a teleporter trap.
And I get the concerns but it seems you are also blowing off the other ones. But I do get what you're saying and ultimately what I say is only a single vote. The guns will go where they go I'm just putting forth an opinion. |
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And I never said that people who didn't role claim are bad ever!! I said it's harder to trust them. That's all. I don't know where you got they were bad from. You can't sit here and say that people who are helpful and held in high regards by the rest of the group but haven't role claimed are easier to trust.
Maybe for you but for me that just makes them that much more dangerous because they're people that most of the group won't think is scum.
I know that just because of knowing their role doesn't mean they're good but some things make it easier.
And I don't even know if the healer on our side is a full doctor or if something else. If the other group also has a healer I'd assume one is a more minor healer and the other is a stronger healer. I have no clue. |
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It wasnt directed at you Dennis and it wasnt particularly about me. Dern/Helm has been getting some beating for being untrustworthy because no one knows her role. Which I thought was bit unfair and could possibly force her to roleclaim to stop it.
I have handed you walkie in my inventory thread, should be in your hands when Willis/Pollux arrives. |
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| Post #37: 3rd May 2013 5:48:58 PM | |
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I've thought this as well. I also agree with your Brittany and Hobert assessments.
Hell, I could even use my jetpack for evil. |
*sigh*
I'm surprised to read this but I guess I'm glad to at least know it now.
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No one is saying its true Airlea. You have proven to have groups best interest at heart. So has Helm.
Which is my main problem, that some people seem to trust you just because you have claimed while Helm is kept in mistrust corner.
Sure we dont know Helm´s role. She could be bad guy. She could be good guy. We dont know, but we dont know about any of those who have claimed as well. Like I pointed out, many of them could have other abilities they have not told us about.
My post was not intended to cause any division in group and I am sorry if it came out like that. We must stay united and I thought that perhaps Helm and others who havnt claimed might feel that way. Which I guess she kinda does, since she agreed with me. |
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| I'm confused- who has been forced to roleclaim? |
No one has. If they choose to it's because they feel they have to to get a weapon.
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Hobert kept on whining that he didn't trust the people who hadn't role claimed and wanted the guns to go to the "chosen" once who had roleclaimed. |
God, you're a dick.
I said I didn't trust some of the people who haven't. Others have said that to. Why don't you get on them? I even said I didn't want people to role claim. I don't understand why you constantly come at me when other people express the same concerns.
Go back to bed. |
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It wasnt directed at you Dennis and it wasnt particularly about me. Dern/Helm has been getting some beating for being untrustworthy because no one knows her role. Which I thought was bit unfair and could possibly force her to roleclaim to stop it.
I have handed you walkie in my inventory thread, should be in your hands when Willis/Pollux arrives. |
All I said was if she is scum, which is still likely, then it's dangerous to give her a gun because no one would ever suspect her of a thing.
All I'm doing is exploring all options just like you are. You just went through every role and said how they could be scum...how is me saying someone might be scum any different? |
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No one has. If they choose to it's because they feel they have to to get a weapon.
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Hobert kept on whining that he didn't trust the people who hadn't role claimed and wanted the guns to go to the "chosen" once who had roleclaimed. |
God, you're a dick.
I said I didn't trust some of the people who haven't. Others have said that to. Why don't you get on them? I even said I didn't want people to role claim. I don't understand why you constantly come at me when other people express the same concerns.
Go back to bed. |
Haha, sorry Hobert, I take that back.
I was just in a bad morning mood buddy.
Your opinion is appreciated and my response to Dennis was bad and unprofessional. |
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Like what? |
Where to go.
Plan a strategy of how to get somewhere.
The notebook.
Discuss and post a map.
drink an party. |
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Can we skip 1-4 and go directly to number 5?
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Like what? |
Where to go.
Plan a strategy of how to get somewhere.
The notebook.
Discuss and post a map.
drink an party. |
Then let's do that instead. |
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It wasnt directed at you Dennis and it wasnt particularly about me. Dern/Helm has been getting some beating for being untrustworthy because no one knows her role. Which I thought was bit unfair and could possibly force her to roleclaim to stop it.
I have handed you walkie in my inventory thread, should be in your hands when Willis/Pollux arrives. |
All I said was if she is scum, which is still likely, then it's dangerous to give her a gun because no one would ever suspect her of a thing.
All I'm doing is exploring all options just like you are. You just went through every role and said how they could be scum...how is me saying someone might be scum any different? |
It isnt that dear Hobert.
Its that you seem to focus on certain people more than others.
But you are of course entitled to your thoughts on who is scum and who isnt, everyone is.
We should put this issue away now. Enough has been said I think and we need to discuss who holds guns.
Item list:
Airlea - bow and arrows
Ajax - coin
Andrael - tears of medusa
Arimnestos
Balagor - rope
Brittany - key?
Dennis - walkie talkie
Dern - time travel crystal
General Chuikov
Hobert - explosives
Katy - notebook
Kristoff - knife
Maria - scroll
Pai Chan - walkie talkie
Peter - medkit
Sophia
Tyrese - mermaid scale
Is this correct? |
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Apology accepted Balagor.
I am sorry if I come off strong all the time but I am trying to just explore all options before we make such big decisions.
I thought it would be beneficial to talk through every option first. I never intended to alienate anyone or make people feel unwanted or untrustworthy. |
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It wasnt directed at you Dennis and it wasnt particularly about me. Dern/Helm has been getting some beating for being untrustworthy because no one knows her role. Which I thought was bit unfair and could possibly force her to roleclaim to stop it.
I have handed you walkie in my inventory thread, should be in your hands when Willis/Pollux arrives. |
All I said was if she is scum, which is still likely, then it's dangerous to give her a gun because no one would ever suspect her of a thing.
All I'm doing is exploring all options just like you are. You just went through every role and said how they could be scum...how is me saying someone might be scum any different? |
It isnt that dear Hobert.
Its that you seem to focus on certain people more than others.
But you are of course entitled to your thoughts on who is scum and who isnt, everyone is.
We should put this issue away now. Enough has been said I think and we need to discuss who holds guns.
Item list:
Airlea - bow and arrows
Ajax - coin
Andrael - tears of medusa
Arimnestos
Balagor - rope
Brittany - key?
Dennis - walkie talkie
Dern - time travel crystal
General Chuikov
Hobert - explosives
Katy - notebook
Kristoff - knife
Maria - scroll
Pai Chan - walkie talkie
Peter - medkit
Sophia
Tyrese - mermaid scale
Is this correct? |
That discussion involves who should hold the guns I think.
And like I've said before i don't think that just because someone holds another item should count them out.
Andrael has the tears...those do nothing...not harmful. So I am fine him having a gun. Same with Peter and the medkit. Etc. |
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It is good we can discuss potential problems in civil manner.
Regarding weapons, do we want active people to have them?
I suggest people already holding weapons(Kristoff,Hobert,Airlea) do not get more weapons. I also suggest people who can disappear at any time(Maria,Helm) after firing weapons should probably not get them.
Perhaps Dennis shouldnt hold one due to him being away when using his role?
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I have them included in my notes about rooms. I can't post them right now (I'm mobile), but I could do it later today. |
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Should we start off by handing of the 50/50 gun away first then handle the shotgun?
I don't want a panic to rise when there is only 1 hour left of the phase. |
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I have them included in my notes about rooms. I can't post them right now (I'm mobile), but I could do it later today. |
I have them too....somewhere -_- if you don't have them easily accessible I can sort through and find them I don't want to make you do it. I was hoping someone may have them separate and easy to post.
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The General is so righteous.
Anyway I agree that people already w/ weapons shouldn't get more weapons, that people who can't disappear immediately after using a weapon shouldn't obtain one, and that lesser-active people shouldn't get them either! |
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I am also wary of Ajax holding items. We have no idea what will happen to him when coin lady appears. Maybe she will take him away to be her lover or something.
So my candidate list:
Andrael
Arimnestos
Balagor
Brittany
Katy
Pai Chan
Peter
Sophia
Tyrese
Any of these are fine in my book. |
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It is good we can discuss potential problems in civil manner.
Regarding weapons, do we want active people to have them?
I suggest people already holding weapons(Kristoff,Hobert,Airlea) do not get more weapons. I also suggest people who can disappear at any time(Maria,Helm) after firing weapons should probably not get them.
Perhaps Dennis shouldnt hold one due to him being away when using his role?
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I think a few of people don't want Dennis having one anyways.
I think we start to until certain people change the demeanor of the conversation with how they say things and then things escalate. |
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I have them included in my notes about rooms. I can't post them right now (I'm mobile), but I could do it later today. |
I have them too....somewhere -_- if you don't have them easily accessible I can sort through and find them I don't want to make you do it. I was hoping someone may have them separate and easy to post.
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Ah. Mine aren't separate. |
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looooooooool
That'd be hot!! :) |
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The General is so righteous.
Anyway I agree that people already w/ weapons shouldn't get more weapons, that people who can't disappear immediately after using a weapon shouldn't obtain one, and that lesser-active people shouldn't get them either! |
"Righteous", I do not follow your meaning dear Peter.
I agree that more active people should be looked at before lesser active ones. |
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I have them included in my notes about rooms. I can't post them right now (I'm mobile), but I could do it later today. |
I have them too....somewhere -_- if you don't have them easily accessible I can sort through and find them I don't want to make you do it. I was hoping someone may have them separate and easy to post.
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Ah. Mine aren't separate. |
Oh perfect! If it's not too much trouble, I would really appreciate it. I'm noticing a color coding thing and want to sort through all of them at once.
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I have them included in my notes about rooms. I can't post them right now (I'm mobile), but I could do it later today. |
I have them too....somewhere -_- if you don't have them easily accessible I can sort through and find them I don't want to make you do it. I was hoping someone may have them separate and easy to post.
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Ah. Mine aren't separate. |
Oh perfect! If it's not too much trouble, I would really appreciate it. I'm noticing a color coding thing and want to sort through all of them at once.
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Ignore me....read that as yours *are* separate lol. Off to search through phases. |
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The General is so righteous.
Anyway I agree that people already w/ weapons shouldn't get more weapons, that people who can't disappear immediately after using a weapon shouldn't obtain one, and that lesser-active people shouldn't get them either! |
"Righteous", I do not follow your meaning dear Peter.
I agree that more active people should be looked at before lesser active ones. |
right·eous
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1. (of a person or conduct) Morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
2. Perfectly wonderful; fine and genuine.
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I am also wary of Ajax holding items. We have no idea what will happen to him when coin lady appears. Maybe she will take him away to be her lover or something.
So my candidate list:
Andrael
Arimnestos
Balagor
Brittany
Katy
Pai Chan
Peter
Sophia
Tyrese
Any of these are fine in my book. |
I hadn't even thought about that (regarding Ajax).
I trust the rest of the list. I have had my reserves about Brittany always wanting items but it goes along with her role I suppose and she has changed a lot and I do trust her more now (just being honest, dearest Brit!) and Arimnestos came on last night and I thought he even said he'd prefer others more active than him to have items? lol and I'd totally trust Pai as well if she were around more (but I think she has been gone a bit more recently... [due to finals?] so when she is around more, I'd be full-throttle for Pai). |
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From that list I would pick:
Peter
Sophia
Pai Chan
Andrael
Such a small list, but that's my choice from that. |
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Can we skip 1-4 and go directly to number 5?
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I did too much of that last night apparently. :P |
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ahaha I love you little dude.
(My finals week just ended so woo: more activity.) |
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It is settled that Sophia will have the pistol right?
So we only have to deal with the shotgun and the rifle.
Peter - Shotgun/ammo
Arimnestos - Rifle
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I am also wary of Ajax holding items. We have no idea what will happen to him when coin lady appears. Maybe she will take him away to be her lover or something.
So my candidate list:
Andrael
Arimnestos
Balagor
Brittany
Katy
Pai Chan
Peter
Sophia
Tyrese
Any of these are fine in my book. |
What about yourself General?
So what about Peter, Sophia, and General all holding a gun? I'd be fine with most of that list holding a gun, but not quite all of them. Although I'd rather not go into specifics as to why for each and every person. |
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It is settled that Sophia will have the pistol right?
So we only have to deal with the shotgun and the rifle.
Peter - Shotgun/ammo
Arimnestos - Rifle
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I'm fine with those two having guns, I think some brought up concern about Arimnestos last night but I'd sort of like to know he could defend himself when he does willingly go on missions for the group. |
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I'm fine with that.
And I love you General. :3 |
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It is settled that Sophia will have the pistol right?
So we only have to deal with the shotgun and the rifle.
Peter - Shotgun/ammo
Arimnestos - Rifle
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I'm fine with those two having guns, I think some brought up concern about Arimnestos last night but I'd sort of like to know he could defend himself when he does willingly go on missions for the group. |
Yes, I think the General should have a gun rather than Arimnestos really.
Also I just thought of one thing, if we are following someone. If Arimnestos had the rope, he could jump through two rooms and tie that person up an bring her back to us :D |
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I'm fine with that.
And I love you General. :3 |
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Do whatever you wish. I honestly don't care if I have an item or not.
I grow tired of this discussion just give the items to some people on that list
of yours and let's decide where to go next...
If west is safe I wouldn't mind going in that direction however if it is
trapped I would like to travel to the past and make another try of finding
Theseus. Wasn't that always the plan after all?
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I'm fine with that.
And I love you General. :3 |
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I'm going to keep this forever!!! |
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Ok, so here's what I'm discovering.
Each of the metal doors which lead to the shuttle are ringed in color coded rings of paint. If I had to guess, I'd say that when you discover 2 with the same color, the shuttle will run between those two rooms. Initially I wondered if there would some sort of connection with only 4 different colors, but there are more. |
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Thanks! I'll let you know when it is received. :) |
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Ok, so here's what I'm discovering.
Each of the metal doors which lead to the shuttle are ringed in color coded rings of paint. If I had to guess, I'd say that when you discover 2 with the same color, the shuttle will run between those two rooms. Initially I wondered if there would some sort of connection with only 4 different colors, but there are more. |
I had the same exact thought when you mentioned color-coded rings of paint. |
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Peter now has 16 new best friends ;)
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That is true, however they don't get a complete freeby on entering rooms because they have a weapon.
Everyone should be treated the same facing dangers regardless of items and roles. |
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| Post #41: 3rd May 2013 7:18:23 PM | |
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That is true, however they don't get a complete freeby on entering rooms because they have a weapon.
Everyone should be treated the same facing dangers regardless of items and roles. |
I agree, it is something we need to consider. Not all traps are going to be teleporters but it is something to be cautious about. We do not need another Carl scenario.
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West or Past people?
Also has Kristoff checked West? |
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West or Past people?
Also has Kristoff checked West? |
I don't know if he has checked west, but I can tell you the parallel room in the past has 3 exits, and has a bridge that crosses the canal. |
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West or Past people?
Also has Kristoff checked West? |
I don't know if he has checked west, but I can tell you the parallel room in the past has 3 exits, and has a bridge that crosses the canal. |
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Never <3
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Peter now has 16 new best friends ;)
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Past sounds preeetty good.
By the way, who should have the shotgun then? |
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Past sounds preeetty good.
By the way, who should have the shotgun then? |
It describes a bubbling pool of green water and a strange mist, but doesn't mention any pressure plates or things that would lead me to believe there is a trap.
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Past sounds preeetty good.
By the way, who should have the shotgun then? |
It describes a bubbling pool of green water and a strange mist, but doesn't mention any pressure plates or things that would lead me to believe there is a trap.
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Of course, in this place I can't make any promises unfortunately. :( There are some rooms I feel more certain are a risk than others just based on what is described, but that's all I can do.
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I could give Arimnestos the rope now and hold the shotgun instead?
There is not even need to give me the ammo if people feel uncomfortable with that :)
The General is still a good choice. |
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I could give Arimnestos the rope now and hold the shotgun instead?
There is not even need to give me the ammo if people feel uncomfortable with that :)
The General is still a good choice. |
I would prefer you to hold on to both the weapon and it's cartridge in case we encounter unfriendly foes
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glad we could come to an agreement.
I'm liking west more than past if only for the sake of expanding known room numbers. |
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I think we should save the key. |
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Also have we simply abandoned any hope in meeting up with the Queen again? :\
No idea why I feel bad, but I do... Gah |
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| The westward room contains an item! :) |
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So I suppose westward it is? :)
Also, anyone wish to exit first? I think Kristoff said it was untrapped? I'd exit first, but I have a weapon and the medikit. I guess it'd be a good round for someone like me to exit first if it truly is untrapped?
##Exit: West
If anyone else wants to, I can unexit, I don't care but I figured it'd be nice to get something on the map. :) |
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(Figuratively speaking of course...)
((Though... literally too since we're going west haha)) |
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More items hmm?
we're practically swimming in them now.
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Haha, well we don't want to start a gang war anyway :)
Also I think you have the last call in the gun discussion Sophia, I think that most of the previous discussion votes for Arimnestos to have the gun.
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Haha probably helps we have BOTH Brit and Kris on our team;) <3 |
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Haha, well we don't want to start a gang war anyway :)
Also I think you have the last call in the gun discussion Sophia, I think that most of the previous discussion votes for Arimnestos to have the gun.
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Well mostly just the Fongs and Parkers and possibly Wilt or Mark. |
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To whom ever smited me.
If I did anything to offend you please feel free to speak your mind, your ideas and thoughts are not more important then mine. |
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To whom ever smited me.
If I did anything to offend you please feel free to speak your mind, your ideas and thoughts are not more important then mine. |
What smite? ;) Check again ;) ;) |
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To whom ever smited me.
If I did anything to offend you please feel free to speak your mind, your ideas and thoughts are not more important then mine. |
What smite? ;) Check again ;) ;) |
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To whom ever smited me.
If I did anything to offend you please feel free to speak your mind, your ideas and thoughts are not more important then mine. |
What smite? ;) Check again ;) ;) |
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Just looking out for my rope-buddy heh |
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holy shit LOL. Never thought of that, good one. :o Could you imagine? Lmao |
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I never got the parachute.
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I never got the parachute.
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Oh alrighty. Was just curious since I remembered it when going back through to look for as much shuttle info as I could collect. |
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If a situation will occur where he has the chance to use the rope more effectively then me, I'm sure we will discuss it again :) |
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I won't I promise.
Thank you for the confidence you put in me however.
Promise I won't let you down. |
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