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Post #1: 10/09/2013 5:14 AM 
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Congratulations to both of you for making it to the end. That wasn't easy at all given that we started with 28. I think you both deserve it in a certain way and I'm not mad that I was voted out when I was. It was painful to see some mediocre challenge performances in the last few challenges though. Yes Katie, looking at you (: Good job Kim, I like that you competed in every challenge, regardless of your schedule that obviously wasn't perfectly suited for the game. You still tried and I like that a lot.

Katie's jury management was better I guess. I also prefer Katie's opening statement as it seemed more real, as opposed to Gina-Marie-inspired. Hopefully it was just for fun and you'll drop that in your answering Kim ;) Socially, I don't think either of you were particularly great, but yah 2-way street. My vote is kind of undecided, but I admit that I'm leaning towards Kim right now based on commitment to the game - something that at least 50% of this cast was lacking.

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Katie....

There were lots of rumors going around about pre-game alliances and players being certain ORG people. The main rumor might have been Jenn being Jessica, and then there were rumors about her having pre-game relationships with several people. For example, Jay was supposedly pre-aligned with Jessica and Bella in this game, Tatz was rumored to be aligned with Jenn, and I was rumored to be pre-aligned with Jenn as well. I've seen and heard quite a bit about this, and it seems like you had a role in this shit.
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- Where did the rumors come from and what were they based on?
- Did you, at any point in the game, try to use pre-game rumors to your advantage? Explain please and be honest.
- Now we're at it, did you know anyone coming into the game?









Kim.......

Conversations with you were all sorts of awkward (: I'm not surprised though given how you think of me lol. All history and differences aside, was there really a need for something as awkward as this.......
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Kim has super Powers (7:40:37): and TBH I have been worried too
Kim has super Powers (7:40:43): because Ive heard a rumor about wh oyou are
Kim has super Powers (7:40:49): and it scares me
Charles Herschel (7:40:54): LOL =-O
Charles Herschel (7:41:02): haha uhm i think shane told everyone
Kim has super Powers (7:41:08): haha he didnt tell me
Charles Herschel (7:41:11): but i tend to lose in ftcs cept for some
Kim has super Powers (7:41:13): I havent known anybody
Charles Herschel (7:41:37): so u know me? lol
Kim has super Powers (7:41:40): idk
Kim has super Powers (7:41:42): I might
Kim has super Powers (7:41:46): are you d*****dcnl?
Charles Herschel (7:41:47): or the rumored person :-X
Charles Herschel (7:41:48): yeah
Kim has super Powers (7:41:54): then ive heard of you at least
Kim has super Powers (7:42:00): dunno if weve ever played

I didn't care to hide my alias since I returned (ie. linked my AIMs at that point etc.) and I don't believe this conversation was necessary as you're not stupid (:
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Anyway, this brings me to the unnecessary lying at the final 7. Like, we had a 4-3 disadvantage, but you found it necessary to go to Sierra and scheme to get me out, then came to me for an F3 with Sierra, then threw Sierra under the bus for wanting me out, and later suggested an F3 with Becky. Like... ok I get the scheming as you probably just wanted to oust my idol, but what happened to subtlety you know. I feel like many of this was unnecessary and you were kind of sloppy.
- Anything you wanna say about this?
- Do you think I played the idol on myself because of how well you were playing us or does it have more to do with my selfishness? Explain please and be honest.
- After Katie responds to my questions, could you please tell us your view on the pre-game rumors centered around Jenn?







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- Post a vid of a song that you love. Explain :)
- What would winning this game mean to you?



Not really sure how I'm gonna decide on my vote... Might look at honesty in answering the questions + commitment... we'll see. I might have a few follow up questions or comments later. Good luck!
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Post #2: 10/09/2013 11:00 AM 
Hey Charlie, I might have to answer tomorrow. My Wednesdays are super busy so I don't know if I'll have time to answer today. I do have a question though, the video is it just a song I like or is it like the video I like?
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Post #3: 10/09/2013 11:41 AM 
Ok thanks for the heads up! I meant a song that you like :)
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Post #4: 10/09/2013 1:28 PM 
Hey Charlie! Thanks for the questions!

Lesse here...

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Conversations with you were all sorts of awkward (: I'm not surprised though given how you think of me lol.


I actually am not sure what you mean here, because i really don't know how you think I think of you. Weve had our diffrences for sure and we had kinda a falling out last time we played but it was one game and it was a stressful situation all around so it would be ridiculous for either of us to make assumptions about the whole person based on that one experience. And, yeah, stuff was awkward between us but that had a LOT more to do with the fact that we were on opposite sides all game than any previous stuff.

For the record I think youre a powerhouse player who puts me to shame in a lot of departments, but that youre also a very emotional guy, very loyal to your friends, and maybe a bit uptight, but guess what? That also describes ME, so I dont think badly of you for it or anything. We might not see eye to eye on stuff but I dont dislike you as a person or as a player based on that.

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All history and differences aside, was there really a need for something as awkward as this.......
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Kim has super Powers (7:40:37): and TBH I have been worried too
Kim has super Powers (7:40:43): because Ive heard a rumor about wh oyou are
Kim has super Powers (7:40:49): and it scares me
Charles Herschel (7:40:54): LOL =-O
Charles Herschel (7:41:02): haha uhm i think shane told everyone
Kim has super Powers (7:41:08): haha he didnt tell me
Charles Herschel (7:41:11): but i tend to lose in ftcs cept for some
Kim has super Powers (7:41:13): I havent known anybody
Charles Herschel (7:41:37): so u know me? lol
Kim has super Powers (7:41:40): idk
Kim has super Powers (7:41:42): I might
Kim has super Powers (7:41:46): are you d*****dcnl?
Charles Herschel (7:41:47): or the rumored person :-X
Charles Herschel (7:41:48): yeah
Kim has super Powers (7:41:54): then ive heard of you at least
Kim has super Powers (7:42:00): dunno if weve ever played

I didn't care to hide my alias since I returned (ie. linked my AIMs at that point etc.) and I don't believe this conversation was necessary as you're not stupid (:


Well glad to know you don't think I'm stupid! lol

As ridiculous as it may sound that conversation was actually kinda necessary on my end. I legitimately had no idea you were you at the time of that convo. Earlier that day Sierra mentioned to me that someone outside the game told her you were named Dan, and I put that together with your timezone and mad challenge skills and made a guess. And I asked you straight up about it because I wanted to know the truth rather than evaluate whether to trust you or not based on rumours and sketchy info from people who werent even playing. In the end you being you didnt factor into anything I decided strategywise, but at the time it seemd important just because I didnt know whether you were someone that would watching or gunning for me.

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Anyway, this brings me to the unnecessary lying at the final 7. Like, we had a 4-3 disadvantage, but you found it necessary to go to Sierra and scheme to get me out, then came to me for an F3 with Sierra, then threw Sierra under the bus for wanting me out, and later suggested an F3 with Becky. Like... ok I get the scheming as you probably just wanted to oust my idol, but what happened to subtlety you know. I feel like many of this was unnecessary and you were kind of sloppy.

- Anything you wanna say about this?


Well, okay, here it is from my perspective. It was 4-3, and Sierra let it slip that you had a idol. You guys had just taken out Erinn, when all of us thought that you were going for Shane or Katie or David. So there was no telling what would happen, and for all I knew I would be your next target, because everybody was saying Erinn and me were a pair.

Even if that didn't happen, if you guys were to idol out one of my four, then it would have been 3-3 at the final six, and there would have been two idols left to play. At that point I didnt know who had the idols on my side, but I knew it wasnt me, and that meant there was a BIG chance that I would wind up in a tiebreaker because I didn't have an idol.

So I came to you guys to try and get the target off myself. I came to Sierra for the F3 deal with her and Becky to make sure she wouldn't take me out, and she agreed you were a huge threat and she wnated you out, so I figured great, we will know where Charlie's idol is giong, I won't get votes, fine. But that plan meant I had to fake a final deal with you, so that you would give the idol to Sierra. (The final deal with Becky was actually Becky's idea. Sierra told her about the F3 I offered them, but Becky wanted to go to the F3 with Katie and not Sierra, so that's how that happened.)

Then Sierra randomly threw me under the bus for no reason and accused me of making the whole thing up to get her out, and no matter how hard I explained it to her she wouldnt accept that I was legit trying to help her get you out. So then I went to you and told you what she was doing because I knew that my team were voting her and I didnt want you to give her the idol.

So it wasnt that I just went up to everyone and told them diffrent things and hoped everybody would be dumb enough to not talk to each other, it was that Becky wanted something different than sierra wanted, and Sierra backed out on the plan to take you out, so I had to tell you what was going on so that you wouldn't idol her and make me wind up in a tie at final six.

So yep, it was confusing and annoying and way more complicated than it should have been, but thats because things kept going wrong and getting messed up. If Sierra had gone with it then I could have been subtle and it wouldnt have been so crazy, but she didnt and so I had to backpedal and try to do damage control.

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- Do you think I played the idol on myself because of how well you were playing us or does it have more to do with my selfishness? Explain please and be honest.


Well as you can see from my above answer I dont think I was playing you guys very well at all. I knew that there werent a lot of good reasons for you to believe me about Sierra wanting you out, and I had no idea whether youd idol yourself or her, or whether youd just keep it until final six. So I don't think its either of those so much as I think you played it as a failsafe just incase the whole thing was a ploy to get you to idol Sierra unnecessarily. Not because youre selfish, but because you noticed how things were going and you anticipated that it could all have been a distraction. I think if you were really selfish, youd have tried to turn on Sierra or Becky and sent them home, then idoled yourself at six to guarantee yourself in final five, because you could have stood a great chance at winning the last ICs.

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- After Katie responds to my questions, could you please tell us your view on the pre-game rumors centered around Jenn?


Sure! I'll post them after Katie does her stuff!

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- Post a vid of a song that you love. Explain :)




Ooooh you guys are probably gonna hate me for this one, but I went with this because it's a song that I used to listen to when I was a kid. I still listen to it all the time at work, and it gets me funny stares and people tell me I'm weird for listening to it, but I still listen to it anyway, because it reminds me that it doesn't matter what the world thinks of me, they can make fun of me all they want, but as long as I'm okay with me, I'ma be just fine.

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- What would winning this game mean to you?


It would mean a lot to me. Its been a long time since Ive been to the finals of a game, and I think Ive showed throughout this whole process that I care about this game, and I've worked hard, put in a lot of time and effort, and it would be awesome to see that rewarded with a win. And if it helps I'm posting this while I should be working, so I guess that's dedication? idk

But as for what it would mean for me personally? Well, I'm in a bit of rough spot right now, it's hard to find work and I'm about to lose the job that I have, and Im trying to go to grad school and my odds of getting in are about in 20 if I'm lucky. So, honestly? It'd be nice to feel like a winner, just because of all that's going on. But TBH I don't want people to vote for me based on that kind of stuff, Id much rather people vote me because they think I played better.

Thanks for the questions, Charlie! Let me know if there's anything else you want more details on!
 
   
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Post #5: 10/09/2013 2:20 PM 
Thanks Kim!

I actually thought you knew it was me when you asked that stuff, glad you didn't. I had no clue who you were until after I was sent to jury btw, and had I known at the time then I wouldn't have been after you more or anything. I knew you were playing me cuz I was told so, and that's why I was gunning for you and that's why the conversations were awkward then I guess :p The thing about how you thought of me is kind of a perception thing I guess, sorry about that.

Anyway, thanks! Your answers about the final 7 situation explain a LOT. No follow ups right now :)
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Post #6: 10/09/2013 4:03 PM 
Thanks! Hope is wasn't too Gina-Marie for ya! :p
 
   
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Post #7: 10/10/2013 2:11 AM 
Hey Charlie, sorry it took me so long to get to this. Wednesday's are CRAZY for me. Anyways, thanks for all the compliments. I do want to address your comment about my commitment to the game as I don't think that is fair. I was EXTREMELY committed to this game, otherwise I would have not signed up. For the majority of the game I was very involved with things, however around the end of August I had to come back to school/work.

You may not know this but I work as an RA for my school, this means that I am in charge of 30 college students and making sure they are doing good in school, being responsible and making good choices as well as putting on programs. The first two weeks I was back I had training which goes from 9 AM to at least 6 PM [sometimes longer] and then I have to make two giant bulletin boards, 51 door decorations, 7 room inventories, 7 cleaning charts, and sleep and eat. So my days were like really packed, the week after I had freshman move-in and orientations which also go from 9 AM to 6 PM, sometimes until 10 PM. My floor consists of 37 freshman, so after that I had to bond with them and try to get to know them/help so my time ever since has been very VERY short with computer time. I did as much as I could considering the circumstances, not because I didn't want to try but because I was always tired and when I got to my room I normally passed out, many times while typing something. If I couldn't even put a minimal effort in a challenge I posted it so that Amanda/Ted and everyone knew and they would know I wasn't trying to be a dick about it.

In conclusion, I was very committed. However, real life happens. I was always part of the decision making process, I was very social with people I had to be social with [many times through text/snapchat/twitter since I can check those from my phone] but I couldn't spend as much time here as I would have wanted for end-game. However, my position was already fantastic so I didn't really need it.

Hope that clears some stuff up. Now, on to your questions:
- Where did the rumors come from and what were they based on?
~ The rumors started from Sarah, early on me, her and Becky became really really close. And during the snow-ball challenge Sarah called out this giant pre-game alliance. She said that Jay never signed up for games without all of her pre-game allies, and she actually pin-pointed a couple of names which were involved with the game. Once some of the rumors turned to be true I was quick to believe everything was true. You have to understand that hearing a big portion of the cast is aligned is scary when you are one of the most hated players in the game. So, I ran with it. When Sarah got eliminated by the people she was accusing of being a pre-game it looked shady to me, regardless of reason. As the game went on, I started doubting whether or not she had been right about it since David was supposed to be in it and turned out not to be, but by then the lines were drawn and it no longer mattered.

- Did you, at any point in the game, try to use pre-game rumors to your advantage? Explain please and be honest.
~ Of course, I would be an idiot not to! I mean I was sitting here being basically Satan, then pre-game rumors come up and suddenly there's a much bigger target. So, of course I exploited them, I told people not in the pre-game about it and tried to use it for my advantage. I had to, it was survival. Does that count or do you want me to try and remember more details about it?

- Now we're at it, did you know anyone coming into the game?
~ Well... this is kinda dicey. Turns out I know a lot of people. Mangie, Erinn, Kim, David, Shane, Jay, yourself, Sarah. Though I didn't necessarily know who they were from the get-go. Besides Kim and Erinn. So, I hope that answers the question?

- Post a vid of a song that you love. Explain smile
~ I couldn't choose one, so I picked two songs that I really, really love:



Hope those work, I have no clue how to post a youtube vid.
I am a HUGE Macklemore fan, and rap in general. But these two songs are so different and my favorites so I couldn't really pick... I think they show two sides of my personality.
--Castle is basically hilarious, it talks a lot of smack and sex talk and it's currently my theme song with one of my best friends. It's a song we use to goof around, be ridiculous and it has a lot of good memories for me. Plus I love singing it because it's just so funny.
--Wing$ has a deeper meaning for me, it's basically something I can relate to a lot. When I was 7 years old I really wanted to be like Michael Jordan, and it talks about a love for sports, and marketing and how that influences your life. I'm a marketing major, I also love sports and this song gets me really pumped up before games, while I work out or do any physical activity, as someone who is very sport-oriented and active it has a special meaning for me.

Hope that satisfies you.

- What would winning this game mean to you?
~ It would mean a lot to me. The last two or three games I played I was the runner-up. I really want to finally win one. I don't have a sad story because at the end of the day this is just a game, and I came here just wanting to have fun and expecting to be voted out pre-merge. I play these games to have fun, I enjot making a character and going for it. I feel like people no longer appreciate characters and take these too personal which is why I am semi-retired, winning would show me that people do appreciate characters and good story-arcs. Like hello, having the girl who was basically Satan become the winner? Who wouldn't love that?

Thanks Charlie, good luck with your vote!
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Post #8: 10/10/2013 4:34 AM 
Oh that's funny lol cuz I had no clue who you were until now (and still not really sure lol so good job on the alias... and on the character, I love it, though I've never seen you as a bitch, mainly as a HUGE competitor early on). Thanks for explaining why your participation in challenges dropped - I do get it, but on the other hand I think Kim had 10 hour shifts every day as well and her participation didn't really drop. That's why I made the comment, it's mainly a comparison thing but I do understand that real life happens.

I'm pleased with most of your answers, but I wouldn't mind if you elaborate a bit more on certain parts. Like:
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Whoa what? Some of them turned to be true :o I'm curious to hear details. I'm also curious to hear details about how you used them to your advantage. It's fine that you did, but own up to them please. Some instances and details as to who you said were in it would be great. (I'm guessing Angie J's boot and my first boot could be examples?) Oh and I was actually asking if you joined with a pre-game yourself xD

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Post #9: 10/10/2013 10:34 AM 
Hahaha oops, you know, I can play characters too. I don't always get to be sweet and cool like myself :P

As far as I know the identity of Jay, Penner and [sort of] Mangie turned out to be true, as well as the fact they had something going on. At least the identities were spot on. Maybe even Jenn from what I heard though don't quote me on that one.

Mangie's boot was 100% because of me using the rumors to my advantage, then again she was borderline inactive and sucked dick at challenges. But I think the round before, or when Sarah got booted about what she had said was the pre-merge [Dave, David, Charlie, Penner, Mangie, Jenn, Jay] to try and rally up troops to get you guys out. I think that's how our alliance of 5 was basically born [tho Aras was part of it]. Somehow David proved he wasn't with you guys too. That also helped get Sierra in with us, I believe. I honestly have awful memory but I think that kind of covers it, maybe?
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... not really, sorry. I don't really get what you're saying - regardless of having an awful memory, some of these could be seen as (key) game moves in which case I think they're relevant but I can't make sense out of that paragraph. Is Mangie Tatz or Cookies? Either way, very confusing.

Do you still actually believe the pre-game rumors? Jessica was not in the game for sure (at least four people personally asked her if she was Jenn in this game, how awkward, and all bcuz of these stupid rumors), Bella not 100% sure but I don't think she was. Sarah must have been a loon. I was alias til the merge and didn't have any pre-games, I know who Jenn is now and I've never met that person before, never played with Jay/Dave/Penner before either. Sure that group you mentioned ended up being an unofficial sort of alliance but that doesn't mean there were pre-game relationships...

Third try, did you join with a pre-game yourself?

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Post #11: 10/10/2013 11:20 AM 
Oh sorry, I didn't see the last part. I found out about the game through Erinn, but in all reality I wouldn't consider it a pre-game, that means we would have been aligned no matter what. I don't think that was the case, I tried to make relationships with other people and at one point I had a solid thing with Penner, but after the Sarah vote and the whole pre-game rumors about half-the-cast I was basically forced to align with Erinn and etc.

Also, a really funny confession which might make Erinn face palm, but when she first approached me I had no idea who she was. She mentioned a game where I was [funny enough] Charlie where we met and I had NO idea who she was. I had to go back to the game and read my conf to remember I liked her. Oops. So... I don't think that's the solid standing for a pre-game.

Mangie is Tatz, I called her Mangie because she looks like a dude. Force of habit. I just refused to called them Tatz and Cookie because I found the names ridiculous and unwitty.

I heard Bella was Penner and that was confirmed. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I believe the pre-game rumors any more. To an extent, I do believe Jay/Mangie/Jenn and maybe Penner had something going on pre-game, but I don't think everyone else did. I think for the rest of you it was kind of like... you were forced to align with them because once the rumor mill started no one wanted to work with any of you guys anymore.

Does knowing who Mangie is clear the paragraph on my previous post up, or do you want me to try again? I apologize if I'm being an idiot, it's WAY too early for me. I should definitely be sleeping.
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Post #12: 10/10/2013 11:40 AM 
Yeah it makes a lot more sense now, thanks! I don't think any of the pre-game suspicions you still have are true but ok we can have different opinions. Mangie was never a part of any sort of alliance that I was involved in as far as I am aware, Jenn was actually sorta pre-aligned with the other Angie, Penner said this was his fourth or fifth game (tho who knows lol)... so yeah not that it really matters, but knowing some of your thought process does help. Ok last thing I'd like to know about it is did you use it to get Aras to vote against me?
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Post #13: 10/10/2013 11:46 AM 
Maybe they are not. I think you might be right, but we won't know until the game is over, and if that is the case then I will sort-of apologize about it. And I say sort-of, because ultimately it DID help my game.

I already had an alliance with Aras, but I think it did help me to get him to vote you out. I can't remember, he can probably say better than me, but I think so.
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Post #14: 10/10/2013 7:31 PM 
LOL. I think I was the only one that knew who Jenn really was and no, it's not Jessica nor was Jenn ever in a pre game alliance.
And Jenn and I were not pre aligned, we found each other out like round 3 or so, I dont remember

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