So Ahoda is going after Tim but Tim is saying we should go after Grim? Reasons? Those are two random options IMO for early in the day.

Jesus Christ, okay I'm always fucking playing catch-up

Tim claimed cop and scanned Grim as a scum role, Grim hints that she (I think it's a she, sorry it's a he) may have dropped "gifts" off to people during the night and that now they know where it came from.

Ahoda counter claims cop, claims he got pro-town reads from Miko and Curtis and a scum read from Tim. That means that somebody lawyer'd Curtis or framed Miko the rounds he scanned them.

Doesn't make much sense for Ahoda to counter-claim a cop for no reason if he's scum. I lean towards lynching Tim if only because it tells us about Grim as well, and because he was put on the spot for a claim by Ahoda, and Ahoda didn't need to counter-claim for no reason

##Lynch Tim

Somebody tell me if I'm wrong about anything please

EDIT: Ahoda's read on Miko was scum, I accidently recapped as town

Ahoda's counter-claim is more believable, because why make up that you got a town read from Curtis and scum from Miko? It makes his claim less believable if anything else... which makes it more believable because why would he deliberately make it more complicated?

KC @ 15/9/2016 15:25

I don't see a scenario where ahoda and tim are both town

This. I'm not 100% on Tim being scum, somebody brought up a good point about Tim claiming out of nowhere against Grim and how it didn't make sense for Tim to lie just like it didn't make sense for Ahoda to counter-claim out of nowhere... but if we do something random like a Moose lynch, this issue just drags on to the next day and the next until we figure it out. Lynching one tells us hopefully a lot about the other, and a lot about the people they're trying to go against or protect, like Grim.

The fact that nobody has stood up to defend Grim is a bit surprising, I know if I got a message from her I would at least stand up and say something that she isn't scum and Tim is lying, but maybe people on the Tim lynch train are trying to subtly say that and I just didn't get the memo.

Ole' Vern @ 15/9/2016 16:18

There should be 3 people who have been messaged and Grim should tell us who they are and what the message was IMO

The day I agree with fucking VERN.... fucking RORY

But really, if people can backup Grim's claim, then that means that Tim is probably scum lying about getting a scum read on Grim... but then again, why would he do that if he knew she was town, if she flipped town he gets lynched next. Unless he means to claim insane cop? That's risky, especially coming out of nowhere. Maybe he is insane cop?

But then if he's insane cop, what does that make Ahoda who counter-claimed out of nowhere? Maybe real cop, and Curtis got lawyer'd. But if he's real cop and Tim is insane cop and everyone is telling the truth here, that would also require Tim being framed as scum... Or maybe Ahoda is insane cop and Tim is real cop and Miko got framed round 1 to get that read from Ahoda, but then Grim would have had to get framed last night for Tim's read...

Fuck, one of them needs to get lynched, there's too many variables and too many chances to lie here. People not backing up Grim makes me suspicious though and lends more credibility to Tim being truthfull about her potentially being scum... but then again if Grim was scum, why would she claim messenger? She would need her scum buddies to back her up, but as soon as one of them flipped they would all be found out. Which actually lends credibility to Grim, so I'm keeping my lynch on Tim

Fuck this is a rollercoaster

also lol hi guys I'm finally active, sorry for being shady with inactivity the first few rounds, I wish I could say that I am so busy and popular IRL but I just suck at remembering to check this board. I'm sucked in now

Boc @ 15/9/2016 16:36

lol this day is a mess. Just now getting a chance to fully read it all and I'm not sure what I'm thinking right now. Ahoda's scanning Curtis as town is weird, but his half-hearted defense of Curtis yesterday seems to fit that and I think I believe he's being genuine. That Curtis scan puts his Tim scan into question tho. Tim's claim and scans seem more solid and if he was scum, I feel like this would be a really dumb move. Scum's gotta be desperate for something, but I don't think this is how they would do it. I wanna hear what grim has to say because I don't remember anyone saying they got a message.

True, Ahoda's Curtis scan means he could be insane cop and Tim is actually town and real cop, but then why would he get a scum scan on Grim? Seems like a stupid move if he was actually scum because as soon as she flips he's done, he can't even claim insane cop anymore. If he's real cop then that puts pressure on Grim, she's online now and I think she needs to elaborate, maybe gifts means Nofo's Gun like Vern said and not messages.

grimapple @ 15/9/2016 16:43

Vic @ 15/9/2016 16:09 The fact that nobody has stood up to defend Grim is a bit surprising, I know if I got a message from her I would at least stand up and say something that she isn't scum and Tim is lying, but maybe people on the Tim lynch train are trying to subtly say that and I just didn't get the memo. Oh they are. :)

*Looks at Tim's lynch train*

k I'm just gonna keep my lynch vote on there then because fuck today lol I can't keep track of who scanned who as what and who claims anymore.

Ole' Vern @ 15/9/2016 16:47

grimapple @ 15/9/2016 14:45 Vic @ 15/9/2016 16:42 True, Ahoda's Curtis scan means he could be insane cop and Tim is actually town and real cop, but then why would he get a scum scan on Grim? Seems like a stupid move if he was actually scum because as soon as she flips he's done, he can't even claim insane cop anymore. If he's real cop then that puts pressure on Grim, she's online now and I think she needs to elaborate, maybe gifts means Nofo's Gun like Vern said and not messages. Ahoda can't be insane cop- he got town on Miko. So you're saying you know Curtis got lawyered?

Agreed with Vern, Ahoda is either insane cop and somebody framed Miko forcing a town read, or he's real cop and Curtis got lawyer'd. Or he's scum, but in that case why make up a town read on Curtis? UNLESS to explain half-hearted attempts yesterday to save a scum buddy, if he said that he got a scum read on Curtis we would all look back yesterday and see Ahoda trying to save him

ooooooooooooh. Still keeping my lynch vote on Tim though. Either one's insane cop and one's real cop, or more likely one is scum and the other is either insane or real. But if one is scum and one is insane the real cop should step forward lmao but that'd be a shit show. It's either one's insane and one's real, or one's scum and one's real.

Lots of people online, Tim/KC/Primate/Boc/Angi/Herm would love to hear from you guys.

If Tim is claiming cop what were his other reads? Did I miss that? All I remember is reading he got scum read on Grimm.

Christian @ 15/9/2016 17:29

Let's examine the situation, shall we? :P If both are Cops, then naturally one of them would have to be an Insane Cop. Tim initially said he was handing us scum on a silver platter, which seems to suggest that he was telling the truth at the time. But if Ahoda's supposed to be an Insane Cop, then how does that explain Miko scanning as town? Unless he was lawyered the same night as he was killed, which makes no sense to me. lol Ahoda's scans: night 1 Miko as town night 2 Curtis as town night 3 Tim as scum Tim's scans: night 1 Shadow as town night 2 Vernon as town night 3 Grim as scum

Christian's logic is what my rambling posts try to convey.

Ahoda is either a real cop and Curtis was lawyer'd, or he is insane cop and Miko was either framed or bussed.

Tim is either a real cop and Shadow/Vernon are town and Grim is scum, or he's scum, (if he was insane cop then that would be fucking amazing knowing Shadow and Vernon would be scum in that situation, but I dont' think they are scum and I don't think Tim is insane)

Knowing Tim scanned Shadow and Vernon as town gives me more cause to believe him since I have town reads on them. BUT I think this issue needs to be resolved because doing something like a Grim or Moose or inactive lynch tells us nothing and we face this same issue tomorrow.

Lynching Tim tells us a bit, if we're incorrect about him being scum and he shows up as real cop, that sucks but we know Shadow/Vern are town and Grim is scum. If he shows up as insane cop then we know Shadow and Vern are scum lol (that's wouldn't happen tho I feel like) and Grim is town. If he shows up as scum then that clears Grim's name a bit and gets another scum out of here.

Lynching Ahoda tells us a bit, if he flips real cop then we know Tim is scum and scum has a lawyer, if he flips insane cop then we know Tim is town and Miko was either framed or bussed, and I don't think he would flip as scum but if so it clears Tim a bit and also gets another scum out.

Lynching Grim... if she flips as town gift giver, then we know Tim is either insane (not likely given his Shadow and Vern reads), or scum. If she flips scum then we know Tim is real cop and Ahoda is insane.

Idk I feel most comfortable with the Tim lynch still since Grim hinted that people who got her gifts are silently supporting her by being on that train, and if they're gifts like the gun I can understand why they don't want to speak up because that makes them targets for scum

Ole' Vern @ 15/9/2016 18:10

Boc @ 15/9/2016 15:50 Vic @ 15/9/2016 17:42 True, Ahoda's Curtis scan means he could be insane cop and Tim is actually town and real cop, but then why would he get a scum scan on Grim? Seems like a stupid move if he was actually scum because as soon as she flips he's done, he can't even claim insane cop anymore. This is a weird post :henry: Grim got bussed with scum and all 3 of them are town, all part of Vic's mastermind plan

Nah, I'm literally just talking through all the options. Most likely option is one or two of Tim/Ahoda/Grim are scum, with the safest guess being Tim. if he doesn't flip scum or insane cop then it's Grim.