We needed this thread. It's also offensive to post about it in a thread subtitled "things that don't deserve their own thread."

I support your new thread.

I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world.

The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 2:23

I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world.

But it is a very real issue. Trans people are killed every day because they had the audacity to express who they were when who they were isn't considered "normal." It is a real fucking issue.

Not only that, but 50% of transgender individuals in a survey said they were sexually assaulted. 67% of trans women in that survey said they were sexually assaulted.

Agreed 100%. Proud of you nofo

I once joked while drunk to a trans girl/guy.

It didn't like my joke.

Stop trans hate guys!

Nofo ☭ @ 1/1/2015 19:48

The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 2:23 I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world. But it is a very real issue. Trans people are killed every day because they had the audacity to express who they were when who they were isn't considered "normal." It is a real fucking issue. Not only that, but 50% of transgender individuals in a survey said they were sexually assaulted. 67% of trans women in that survey said they were sexually assaulted.

My problem isn't the issue itself but the dramatisation of the issue and the sometimes attention-seeking behaviour of those involved. For example, the reality shows (or similar) based on transgender individuals showing them acting in a pretty.... pathetic (for want of a better word) way - rather than highlighting the issues you cite - in my opinion, belittles the entire group and trivialises the issue. The funny thing is these shows are probably created to "give attention to the issues transgender people face" but very rarely is it actually shown and is just turned into something "entertaining".

Also you can say that pretty much every group of people - gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian etc - are killed on a daily basis for simply being who they are. Is there a reason transgender individuals would be specifically targeted for sexual assault?

The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 3:59

Nofo ☭ @ 1/1/2015 19:48 The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 2:23 I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world. But it is a very real issue. Trans people are killed every day because they had the audacity to express who they were when who they were isn't considered "normal." It is a real fucking issue. Not only that, but 50% of transgender individuals in a survey said they were sexually assaulted. 67% of trans women in that survey said they were sexually assaulted. My problem isn't the issue itself but the dramatisation of the issue and the sometimes attention-seeking behaviour of those involved. For example, the reality shows (or similar) based on transgender individuals showing them acting in a pretty.... pathetic (for want of a better word) way - rather than highlighting the issues you cite - in my opinion, belittles the entire group and trivialises the issue. The funny thing is these shows are probably created to "give attention to the issues transgender people face" but very rarely is it actually shown and is just turned into something "entertaining". Also you can say that pretty much every group of people - gay, straight [citation needed], trans, black, white [citation needed], asian etc - are killed on a daily basis for simply being who they are. Is there a reason transgender individuals would be specifically targeted for sexual assault?

I'm not aware of any shows about trans people. Drag queens are not transgender if that's what you're getting at. That's also transmisogyny. If you can provide a name of such shows please do. However, if you really think television is representative of any entire group please seek help.

Also, trying to insinuate that caring about hate crimes against trans people means I don't think other groups get treated horribly is a dirty dirty tactic. I know they do but this thread is not about anything but trans people daring to be who they are.

You are missing the point - I am not saying television is representative of the entire group BUT that is how people process media. Stereotyping an entire group based on such television shows (or other forms of media) is something which is hardly new. Do you think if the media had the same focus on this issue as you do, do you think it would still be a non-issue for the majority of the world?

Also I was not insinuating that at all. Merely pointing out that whilst it isn't acceptable it is by no means a unique situation.

Why do you think it is such a low priority issue in the world currently and what do you think should be done to change that?

Part of me is glad this is a continued discussion but the other part of me is pissed that there was such an outcry to exile it into it's own thread, which reeks more of "take it away from the place that I usually post so I don't have to see it" rather than "I'm genuinely interested in this topic and would like for it not to be cast into a general discussion thread where it won't get the attention it deserves"

Mercator @ 1/1/2015 3:59

I once joked while drunk to a trans girl/guy. It didn't like my joke. Stop trans hate guys!

It? Really Merc?

The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 3:59

Nofo ☭ @ 1/1/2015 19:48 The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 2:23 I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world. But it is a very real issue. Trans people are killed every day because they had the audacity to express who they were when who they were isn't considered "normal." It is a real fucking issue. Not only that, but 50% of transgender individuals in a survey said they were sexually assaulted. 67% of trans women in that survey said they were sexually assaulted. My problem isn't the issue itself but the dramatisation of the issue and the sometimes attention-seeking behaviour of those involved. For example, the reality shows (or similar) based on transgender individuals showing them acting in a pretty.... pathetic (for want of a better word) way - rather than highlighting the issues you cite - in my opinion, belittles the entire group and trivialises the issue. The funny thing is these shows are probably created to "give attention to the issues transgender people face" but very rarely is it actually shown and is just turned into something "entertaining". Also you can say that pretty much every group of people - gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian etc - are killed on a daily basis for simply being who they are. Is there a reason transgender individuals would be specifically targeted for sexual assault?

This is pretty silly. Every reality show makes the people involved usually look pretty pathetic. It's not actual occurrences it's just silly made up scenarios that the people on the show play out. You're better off looking to documentaries if you want to see the real issues. Reality shows are meant to entertain more than inform. Basing any opinion on the people as a whole would be silly for anyone.

The issue with saying "well XYZ all have the same problem" is that you are diluting the issue and more or less just changing the topic. Black people have been targeted a lot lately by police but that is it's own issue. It's not just that trans people are treated violently it's that they are treated with contempt or in a manner to imply that what they are experiencing isn't real. They are often denied the identity that identify with and are even led to believe that what they think and do is not only wrong but even sinful or harmful.

I will admit that trans issues are not something that the average person is familiar with. I myself once thought it had more to do with forced gender roles and people feeling put off by them but I think now that some people genuinely feel as if they are stuck in the wrong bodies and I feel like they should have every right to correct that as it is their own bodies and minds. I feel like things would be easier if people didn't have such a rigid pink and blue outlook on gender but that is besides the point.

I don't think it was an awful idea to move it here, I was trying to follow it in the other thread but actually felt there was enough that it did deserve it's own thread. Guess it's a case of how you choose to see it. Feels more respected to me here than there, but ymmv.

Read an article of an interview with the mom. They didn't allow surgeries to begin at age 16 which apparently triggered some of the feelings of rejection. That made me curious what you all think about that? Should they have allowed and paid for this at 16?

In Sweden we have a word for people who are genderless.

Male = Han
Female = Hon
Genderless = Hen

And in the interest of trying not to offend, can someone explain how you know if the person would prefer to be addressed as a he or she? I don't want to hurt people and honestly don't know so I'm asking. What if you don't know the person well, or know their wishes?