Omg, I had predicted that as soon as Arya came back to Westeros that she'd kill Walder whilst he was eating. I was fucking RIGHT!

The only differences within my theory and what actually went down was that Arya was still part of the FM whilst she did it, and that she side-tracked from her mission after she 'remembered' herself due to landmarks in the Riverlands.

Another alternacation was that I had not predicted Frey pie to be included (nice little nod to Wyman), which I was pleasently surprised with. But within my theory Arya would say 'The North Remembers' before slitting his throat. Mmmwell, atleast we got Frey Pie!

Fuckin awesome!

And although I wish Doran could have still done his 'Fire and Blood' speech, I'm glad they still partially did it with Varys instead.

Ofcourse that moment in the book will always be more effective due to Arianne, Doran and Quentyn all being involved. Which are truly Martells. But still a nice alteration.

And though the ending was good for Jon, there is def still some uprising tension between LF and Sansa, I hope it develops itself well and doesn't fall flat like Show!Arya in Braavos.

And yeah, it was rather obvious that the Wildfire would come this episode. I didn't expect Margarey to die though, and for sure not Tommen in that way.

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Even though that part was EPIC in the show, the version in the books (With Aegon and Arianne's forces attacking it whilst it's going on) will be a lot better due to that more characters will be involved. I slightly think that Arianne will die in a similair way that Margarey did now, and I'm quite certain Tommen will get Myrcella's death from the show. With one of the Dornish women being involved.

But we'll have to see. I was slightly hoping for a 'special announcement' at the end where the screen cut to GRRM, and that he was going to reveal the release date of the next book; considering the episode was called: 'The Winds of Winter', I got myself a bit too psyched up about that, but either way we know he's super close to being done, so -soon- (I hope...).

BWB wasn't in the episode at all; could still make room for LSH... Nah jk, she ded. WHAT WILL HAPPEN THOUGH - Arya joins forces with BwB and snatches parts of LSH's role! :-D

Super psyched for next year - it'll come back on around the time I'll be going to New Zealand for a year, so I'll be in a GOOOOD place then -hopefully with twow beside me-. :-D

Sorry - am a bit too excited. So I'll end it here! :)

Also, the Oldtown sequence was AMAZING. Cinematography was amazing, and considering that that location is one of my favorite storylines from the books - I'm super psyched! I was convinced they were going to leave it out when I saw Sam staying at the Wall for S5.

I'm just hoping for Pate, the Sphinx and the Alchemist to be included as well.

Yes. Many stuff.

Book spoilers obvs

Varys is NOT a Dany supporter in the books, he's actually helping Young Griff aka Aegon Targaryen becoming king, together with Jon Connington (the hand of the king from when Aerys was king). Varys and Illyrio Mopatis are complete bros and are playing a long con. Varys arrives back in KL during the epilogue of A Dance with Dragons after practically not being in 2 books straight, and he kills Maester Pycelle as well as Kevan, in an attempt to make KL weak whilst Cersei continues to fuck shit up (shes a bit more crazy in the books). He wants her to go crazy.

Considering that the show cut out everything that had to do with the Blackfyre rebellion, I could see why they cut out Young Griff (same for why they cut out Bloodraven's past in the show), cause theories are that Aegon is actually the last living Blackfyre remaining, throughout the after math of the Blackfyre rebellion, many men still held allegiance to the Blackfyres, but put up a mummers farce and acted as if they were loyal to the Targaryens who were then in power. And even to this day, there are still many secret Blackfyre followers. And apparently Varys and Illyrio disguised Aegon as a Targaryen to gain a better momentum.

So yeah, the show streamlinef THE FUCK out of that.

Other big storylines that are missimg are Doran's master plan. Which involves Arianne Martell (whom is the heiress of Dorne) as well as Quentyn Martell (his oldest son). Dorne is the only kingdom where a female whom is the oldest of the siblings can take over after the rules dies. So Arianne makes up this 'Queenmaker' plot (whom she doesn't tell anyone besides Arys Oakheart, Darkstar, the Sand Snakes amd Myrcella - and some other random peeps), but anyways she wants to overthrow King Tommen and make Myrcella queen of Westeros considering that Myrcella is older than Tommen.

That doesn't go to well - a POV character dies in that mission- and Doran is fucking pissed. He lets her starve in a tower for days before revealing what the ACTUAL plan is. That is to send Quentyn to Daenerys (to bewed her), and to send Arianne to Aegon (whom is in the Stormlands - he arrived in Westeros in half a book), so that the Martell's can restore the Martell/Targaryen alliance.

Quentyn attempts to get on Daenerys' good side, but she doesn't know him and thus is distrusting of him. He attempts to gain her attention by trying to steal her dragons. So him and some other Dornishmen attempt to steal the dragons and bring them to Dorne, but as you can assume, it doesn't go well, Quentyn foolishly brings a whip, and actually hits one of um with the whip. That dragon then stares at him, thinking: Oh hell naw. Before roasting him. Quentyn dies, thus making a dent in Doran's plan.

Arianne goes to the Stormlands to bewed Aegon Targaryen, and actually arrives there when the Tyrell forces are attacking. We don't know any more than that. But theories suggest that Arianne/Aegon's army will invade KL during Cersei's trial. And that the Trial by Combat still goes as planned, but that the Sand Snakes kill Tommen (sinilairly to how Ellaria killed Myrcella in the show), and that after Cersei sees Tommen dead, that she officially goes Mad Queen and burns the city to the ground. Killing everyone in it (Arianne, Aegon, Margarey, Ellaria, Sand Snakes etc) and that Cersei then escapes King's Landing and runs into the BwB whilst they have a hold of Jaime (since Jaime, Brienne and Pod are in LSH's captivity.)

And some other differences include that Melisandre 'soul swaps' Mance Rayder with Abel (whilst on the pyre). Mance is then in another person's skin, and get's sent to Winterfell with some spear-wives. Whilst there they help Theom and Jeyne (fake Arya) whom Sansa took the role of in the show. Jeyne is mentally fucked because Ramsay does even more fucked up shit to her then showRamsay did to Sansa. So Jeyne thinks it's a trick, so she doesn't want to go. But she does end up escaping with Theon - jumping off the wall- (the fate of Mance is unknown), Theon and Jeyne then run into Stannis' army.

Stannis has Yara (Asha) Greyjoy as a captive as well. Stannis plans on executing Theon, and he sends Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) with Justin Massey to the Wall, and from there out to Braavos -where the REAL Arya is. Theories suggest Arya and fake Arya will meet. Which would be cool, but nothing special. I don't believe in that theory.

Another big difference is the North Remembers storyline. With Davos on a recruiting mission for Stannis. Whilst he speaks to Wyman Manderly, Manderly has Frey pies and reveals the North Remembers plan to Davos with a fucking epic speech. He then sends Davos to Skaagos where Rickon, Shaggydog and Osha are on. It's an island with cannibals and unicorns and is feared by the common folk. Supposedly instrad of Jon resseructing, Rickon leads an army of Cannibals and unicorns whilst on the back of Shaggydog and attacks Ramsay -instead of the Battle of the Bastards-. Rickon is the key to the North Remembers plot, qnd Davos is sent to obtain him.

AND LASTLY (you better fucking enjoy this Simplton, I need to wake up in 5 hours to go to work). Euron Greyjoy, once he returns from Exile, he claims the Seastone Chair, but he's very mysterious -not likw the pathetic show Euron), Theon is never involved in the Kingsmoot, instead it's Victarion Greyjoy. Whom gets sent to Meereen with Dragonbinder (which is a horn Euron has that can make dragons listen to you). Aeron (the priest) refuses to take Euron as a king - as Euron is godless-, and flees the Iron Islands. Asha flees as well to the North (where Stannis then captures her). In the most recent sample chapter og the new book, Euron actually captures Aeron whilst raiding the Reach. And he puts him on his ship, and forcefully makes him drink the Shade of the Evening- Aeron sees all these trippy fore-shadowing images. Euron apparently has an entire collection of priests on his boat -one from each religion- and is planning on doing SOMETHING with that. And considering Euron is into black magic, it isn't anything good. Euron also had valyrian steel armor. He's quite OP'd in the books, but he's a mysterious scary motherfucker!

Those are the MAIN ones, Coldhands is another ome but I need to go to bed and this took a fucking hour to type on the phone, so I hope it answered your question.

I'll try and think of more differences at work. :-)

On my break now, and remembered that Sam, Sansa and Tyrion's story are VERY, VERY different.

Tyrion is playing Barristan's role from the books in the show, as Tyrion is a slave rn together with his adorable lover; Penny.

Sansa is still in the Vale, about to marry Harry the Heir. Littlefinger is planning on using them to get tp the Throne, but Sansa is slowly becoming a player herself. (All the WF shenanigans already passed hy that point with Jeyne. So odds are Sansa will never even meet Ramsay in the books)

And Sam's storyline is WAY to difficult to explain in the short time of my break; but it's nothing like the show. He is in Oldtown though -which is the only similairty.

Simplton @ 27/6/2016 22:25

Yeah none of that made much sense to me. That sounds like a completely different entity. I didn't know the show derailed that much from the books.

Yeah, that's why S5 had such a big backlash (I mean, the writing and storytelling in S5 was bad within itself, but an even 'bigger' backlash was the deviation). It mainly had to do with how sudden it was. Seasons 1-4 stayed pretty faithful to the books, with some HP type changes -nothing all too major (besides Qarth, fuck showQarth). So when the show just randomly decides to stop following the books; it came too sudden. As info started streaming in, we were able to piece together that Arianne, Victarion, Quentyn, Young Griff, LSH all wouldn't be featured, it rightfully made us worry as they take up big portions of the 4th and 5th book. And as thw seasons unfolded and we saw ridiculous things like Sansa marrying Ramsay (and her escaping by PICKING a fucking lock, instead of the amazing way Jeyne was forced to escape in the books). Too many sudden character-changes. And DnD wanted to create theit own entity, and failed big time. They are great cinematographers, but suck at making up stories and keeping stuff consistent.

That, and the super sudden plan to cut everything from the books and make up their own shit, is a huge part of why the internet shits on present day GOT.

Oh, and my memory constantly refreshes itself with book stuff due to that I am quite active in book discussions, but when the release date for The Winds of Winter comes out, I'm going to re-read all the books; and try the boiled leather reading order which shouls be quite a different expierence.

I'm excited for that. Will make a bunch of notes, especially with the minor characters who'll have a role im twow. Can't wait to reach Marwyn the Mage part again - the showrumners are fucking idiots for leaving him out-.

Baby Jon looks like a wise old man who's high for the first time

Considering the way you view the show is just as inconsistent as the show itself, I think you'll enjoy it.

Awh, that was mean of me. Sorry Rose. isly <3

Somehow I knew this was going to be a ridiculous post about me when I saw you posted - you've become underwhelmingly predictable Nofo. Quite a shame, you used to be entertaining.

Hey, your current self actually reminds me of present day GoT. What an interesting parallel.

Though Arya's scene was pretty cool - it was pure fan-service.

I don't recall there being so many plotholes within a single plot as their has been with Arya's storyline this season. I feel quite underwhelmed tbh with Arya, and I don't really know if her character can revive in my eyes. The entire FM 'cult' absolutely fell flat in the show. They didn't come off as a threat like they do in the books, and it's quite a bummer. The FM better have a continuation next season, I mean, involving Arya going back to Westeros. If the show actually attempts to be consistent, Arya should be public enemy number #1 for the FM. If they drop that entirely I'll be dissapointed.

More important question: How the fuck did she kill 2 of Walder's sons without anyone noticing, and on top of that: how did she make a pie that'd otherwise take at the very least 8 hours to make (if you keep the dismemberment of the Frey men into consideration)? She must have killed a kitchen maiden and took her face. Or else she would have been caught. When a scene avokes so many questions, then you know the writing has been going downhill.

They should have kept the Frey pie with Manderly or left it out entirely, and not forcefully put it onto Arya. Pure shock-factor, and no logical sense. I guess it's a nod to book-readers? I dunno. The zoom-in on Ghost before Jon ressurected was a nod, this pie ordeal just feels awkward.

Yeah, Manderly being featured literally made 0 sense.

Yeah, we were giddy! So it sucks that this is what we got, haha. Never hype anything up, 98% of the time it doesn't live up to it. < That's atleast the lesson I learned after that scene. :p