Lamps actually being scum was a bit of a surprise.

How come both Vlad and Ari survived?

Also, I'm still just as undecided between Curtis/Boc. Curtis did actually help get Lamps lynched though so we know he, and everyone else on Lamps train are not part of the Enviromentalists.

Probably Wikey.

Not sure who else.

Curtis, you being roleblocked was not part of the agreement.

With no one dying tonight and one scum down, I think we can move forward with Curtis/Boc.

Comparing posts between Rose and Curtis will determine if he's scum now, which is good news.

Curtis

Herm constantly saying it couldn't possibly be Lamps while Lamps' train was getting ahead of me would make him vry obvious as a scum buddy. I'm not sure if it's too obvious (tho wikey). I posted my Lamps poisoning theory twice and Herm had weird responses to it and wouldn't acknowledge my question asking him how he thinks Lamps survived (since we both agreed there probably wasn't a poison doc)

He said he was poisoned for absolutely no reason. I assumed one poisoning was fake and one was real or something.

I did not make sense to me so I was not sure what his angle was? Go down fighting?

You and Boc are kinda weird ones too with some stuff concerning your roles, not gonna lie.

Wikey

Now we are back in the same place we was yesterday. One of Boc, Curtis and Christian are scum, and we are no closer to knowing which of them it is. Curtis been roleblocked was rather predictable and it's impossible to read anything into it. Which is why I personally think we should just table the issue completely for now. We can find scum by other means.

I have to disagree.

We didn't lose anyone during the night so last person that was lynched was Lamps and his flip was scum. So one scum down and no town.

The best people to move forward with today imo are Wikey and Curtis and/or Ari.

If Curtis is scum, the people lynching him att town.

If Curtis is town, the people lynching him yesterday are probably scum.

Moving forward with the list is gonna give us info on even more people.

I'm pretty sure the remaining mafia on the list is a Raider since Red's team attacked Angi (from the list), once Red had been lynched.

So pretty likely the person we need to lynch on the list is on the mafia team we need to look for.

Wikey is probably on Lamps team.

Hmmm. Things are probably more complicated bc 2 mafia teams.

Christian

If Curtis is Purple Mafia, since most would agree that the Zook Mafia member left is Purple, and if Ari is Purple Godfather based on surviving attack, then unless Ari was trying to distance himself by lynching Curtis yesterday, Curtis maybe isn't the Purple Mafia we're looking for.

Only one of Curtis/Ari is likely Purple Mafia.

If they were scumbuddies Ari could've lynched Boc or you instead. Curtis had to pull out all stops to survive yesterday.

Wouldn't Boc be a Mason?

Curtis @ 12/4/2016 3:09

This is pretty much how I read the end of the day yesterday: Lamps and Wikey are clearly on the same team and made it very evident yesterday. That team is not aligned with Listscum which we pretty much know, so they'd wanna lynch one of the two townies on it for sure and keep the person they believe is scum alive Lamps believed I was town much of the time but suddenly went for me. Wikey went for Christian to start the day then me later. Wikey was obviously gonna jump on my train as it was tying at the end of the day. The two worked together to get me lynched I think they know Boc is mafia. Drr said her team knew Lamps was mafia and we ignored it. Once Wikey saw that lynching me wasn't working and that Lamps was leading, he immediately made a huge switch and pushed for Boc. It was like he said FUCK IT and decided to make a last ditch effort to give us actual scum to save Lamps and to look good the next day. This post says it all really: Wikey @ 10/4/2016 19:57 Please lynch Boc everybody. It's him, I'm sure of it now. I know I said it was 100% Curtis a few pages ago but I've changed my mind, for the last time. Do it. If he is town I'll lynch myself tomorrow. Right at the end of the day to try to get votes off of Lamps and onto Boc. He was very suddenly SURE of it based on nothing. His last line about how he'll lynch himself if Boc is town is pretty key. He wanted to get a ListTownie lynched but ran out of options so he offered up Boc and wouldn't have had to eat those words the next day I'm 100% sure Wikey is Environmental Mafia and almost positive Boc and Ari are Raiders. If we wanna focus on Raiders then I think we should go for Boc and Ari despite them being less of a sure thing than Wikey would be

This could be correct, but why not just lynch you instead since you had more votes?

Christian @ 12/4/2016 3:54

So Herm. If you believe it likely that Ari and Curtis are not on the same team: 1) Who do you feel better about being the last Mafia member on the list? 2) How would you explain Ari surviving an attack last night? Which do you feel more strongly about? 1) Curtis being Mafia 2) Ari being Mafia

1) Curtis
2) Only way is Doctor, but we have someone handing out vests so he's not bulletproof.

2) Ari being Mafia

It's back and forth for me, not sure what to do right now.

Oh. I forgot Town Doctor died.

## lynch Ari

Maybe Curtis is actually town then?

Jay handed Vlad a bulletproof vest so that's how he survived.

The Town Doctor is dead so there's no explanation how Ari survived.

Mafia GF's are bulletproof tho (Redster was GF for Enviromentalists) so the theory is that Ari is Mafia GF for the other team.

If true, this means Curtis is not mafia since mafia from both teams have tried to lynch him over the others on the list.

Well, nothing is for certain obviously. :)

But if Ari is mafia with Curtis then why lynch him over two town? I don't see why he'd target him over the other two, if both of them are town. It looks like Lamps is definitely not aligned with Lamps's team.

Since Jay had a BP vest to hand out for free, wouldn't the chance of other town aligned bulletproof roles/items be less likely?