Hi all, I want to apologize for my inactivity yesterday. I had some irl stuff going on and I really just didn't feel like dealing with the game that day, but I'm back on track now.

I don't know what to make of Tricks and Herm dying today, but what I do know is that something is off about the dream stuff that was discussed yesterday. It doesn't make sense to me that Moose proclaims Sami to be trustworthy and Merc to be town, and that Buffy goes on to say Cake is untrustworthy (while silenced) and proclaims that Brian told her Merc was town. Moose and Buffy are being affected by the same thing but it sounds like they were both told Merc is town in a different way. If players are going to be told another player is town, especially under these circumstances, then I believe it would be done in a uniform manner.

My other opinion on yesterday is that mafia has us running in circles. I wouldn't be surprised if this dream stuff is some sort of fabrication done by the mafia to throw us off and prevent us from being able to draw proper conclusions leading us to a lynch. We got lucky with DD yesterday, but town was so confused yesterday there were no lynch trains going until the end of the day.

Like Cherry, I want Buffy to clarify on her post from yesterday because I have a hard FOS on her right now, with Moose and Merc close behind. (I believe the dream stuff is a total fabrication)

Buffy @ 18/6/2015 22:50

Colby @ 18/6/2015 21:31 Hi all, I want to apologize for my inactivity yesterday. I had some irl stuff going on and I really just didn't feel like dealing with the game that day, but I'm back on track now. I don't know what to make of Tricks and Herm dying today, but what I do know is that something is off about the dream stuff that was discussed yesterday. It doesn't make sense to me that Moose proclaims Sami to be trustworthy and Merc to be town, and that Buffy goes on to say Cake is untrustworthy (while silenced) and proclaims that Brian told her Merc was town. Moose and Buffy are being affected by the same thing but it sounds like they were both told Merc is town in a different way. If players are going to be told another player is town, especially under these circumstances, then I believe it would be done in a uniform manner. My other opinion on yesterday is that mafia has us running in circles. I wouldn't be surprised if this dream stuff is some sort of fabrication done by the mafia to throw us off and prevent us from being able to draw proper conclusions leading us to a lynch. We got lucky with DD yesterday, but town was so confused yesterday there were no lynch trains going until the end of the day. Like Cherry, I want Buffy to clarify on her post from yesterday because I have a hard FOS on her right now, with Moose and Merc close behind. (I believe the dream stuff is a total fabrication) Wow, I'm so popular! I already answered Cherry's question but maybe you didn't see it yet. I was informed Merc was town and asked Brian if he could confirm and he said yes. I was given a message that Cake was mafia and not to trust him. It was specifically stated as a pep talk. These are two specific things because one was confirmed as fact to me and one was stated as someone else sending me a message. Why would I make it up? I even said I guessed it was to frame Cake and I don't think Cake is mafia. I specifically said I would lean toward it being a frame job.

It was stated as a pep talk? Correct me if I'm wrong but given the context of how all of this stuff was stated yesterday, it didn't seem like it was a pep talk. I will go back and re-read but that's news to me.

There's plenty of reasons to lie about the dream stuff. As I stated in my original post today, it would make a whole lot of sense to fabricate something like this in order to throw town off, which if that's the case it worked. What is setting off red flags about this to me, is that you and Moose are the only people being affected by it. Additionally, the two people y'all are being told to trust/not trust have had FOS thrown on them both left and right. That makes it really easy to divert attention from y'all, and mislead town.

Christian @ 19/6/2015 8:03

I just had a thought. And maybe it's a stupid one, I'm sure you guys will let me know haha. DD's Passive allowed him to choose 10 people, of which a certain amount of would randomly make up his Mafia team. Would we start looking at people we think DD would choose? One of my guesses would be Vic, but other than that I'd have nothing, I'm sure he'd want to try to get some good players.

I had this thought when I read DD's role. My early guesses for DD's lists would definitely be Vic, Curtis, Buffy, Sami, Tom & Dylan. That still leaves a lot of other options though, and for all we know DD could have done a completely random list. Given his activity, he didn't seem to care about the game a whole lot, so it's difficult to read into this.

correct Tom to Badger in my last post.

Also I'm with ahoda on Moose. I don't like her saying that her passive is that she scans as chaotic mafia, especially considering we don't know if it even exists.

I'm re-reading Day 3 and something that's interesting is that Nofo & Dylan both claimed to have gotten water/liquid yesterday. Unless there are multiple water sources, then one of them is probably lying? Herm's role says he could leave the game when two people found water and that requirement wasn't met until today.

Scratch that. I just re-read Herm's role, and it's possible that Dylan just visited Herm since he got water and Nofo found liquid. It's still something to keep in mind though. We know Dylan & Nofo both visited Herm Night 2.

Buffy @ 19/6/2015 11:08

I think it's silly to speculate on who DD would've picked based on friendships. That would be insanely stupid of her imo knowing her role description would be revealed if she ever died. Anyway, if she picked me, I didn't make the cut. I feel like Colby is really reaching putting FOS on me for revealing the messages. First of all, someone sent me the message which was labeled as the "pep talk." Maybe they were allowed to give whatever message they wanted so what does it matter what the host called it before a message was inserted? I stated that I suspected it was just to frame Cake and I can't help that some people (Angi for example) decided to run with that as a reason to suspect Cake. I'm guessing whoever sent that message and whoever silenced Cake are probably on the same team. For all I know, it could be Colby who sent the messages and he's just using it to throw shade on me.

I'm not following how it would be stupid of DD to pick her friends for her list. It's still randomized, and not a guarantee of anything, however I already stated in one of my prior posts that we can't predict what DD is going to do, it's just something to make a note of.

Also this isn't an OMGUS at all. I don't think it's reaching to fos you at all. You had two or three meaningful posts yesterday and then filler for the rest. Not to mention you conveniently disappear when the train on DD started. Moose calls the messages dreams, and now you're coming in calling them a peptalk? That's inconsistent and makes me believe one of you is lying. It's not just a fos on you, it's one on Moose too. You can say that you think it's some sort of message to frame Cake, but you still presented it for the town who will draw their own conclusions on Cake regardless of what your supposed opinion is.

Until I see other people getting these dream messages about who to trust/not trust I have my eye on you and Moose. It just seems odd as hell Buffy. Whoever is sending the messages should have sent them to four players by now and only you and Moose are speaking up? That's just strange to me.

Buffy @ 19/6/2015 15:53

Timmah @ 19/6/2015 14:28 I guess now we know why she wanted me to move on so badly. In my opinion that also makes Christian and probably badger stabilizers. The real question in my mind is, with random mafia and maybe chaos mafia, what exactly are the stabilizers? Masons are still town, at least as I understand it, so any third party would not have the town's best interest at heart even if they did want to defeat the mafia. ## lynch Angi I agree, third party is not town so they want town out. Also could have a factional kill? I have suspicions of Christian and Lamps just for their statements in defense of Angi. Probably Lamps moreso. He seemed almost upset to lynch Angi and idk why he thinks she's so town. I have found her posts pretty much just agreeing with the obvious lynches and re-stating the obvious but not putting herself out there, plus her wanting to lynch Cake yesterday was scummy imo. Also Colby because he avoided mentioning Angi's name at all but instead came at me saying this: Quote Buffy goes on to say Cake is untrustworthy (while silenced) and proclaims that Brian told her Merc was town. I never once said Cake was untrustworthy. I said I got a message saying Cake was mafia and I thought it was probably to frame her. So, idk why Colby, after being completely silent Day 3, comes out on Day 4 and uses inaccurate information to throw shade on me while Angi's getting heat.

Angi was pretty much only getting heat from Timmah up to the point where I started posting my suspicions of you, and my information isn't inaccurate at all. You brought the information to the table that you received intel that Cake wasn't to be trusted while he was silenced. Don't twist my words in this Buffy. I have good reason to believe you're mafia, and I'm hesitant to jump on this Angi bandwagon regardless. Of course maybe that's because you only want love if it's torture bae!

Cake @ 19/6/2015 19:54

can we lynch teebs? I also agree with Colby. I mean buffy might have said "i dont trust the message" but she didn't stop the others of wanting to lynch me. The one who protected was based Herm, I'm glad he could complete his wincon for being awesome and a blessed soul.

I'd be down for a Teebs lynch. I don't trust Buffy at all, even if Angi turns out to be a stabilizer.

Buffy @ 19/6/2015 11:08

Colby, do you have any other opinions about the game/players?

Right now the only person I strongly suspect of the ones posting is Sami. Her quick lynch of Angi didn't sit well with me. I also suspect Teebs and Dylan. Teebs for lurking and Dylan for his quick posts and not much else across all four days.

Buffy @ 19/6/2015 20:00

I don't get your comment about my lovelife.

It means I don't trust you one bit Buffy!

#lynch Teebs

I don't Christian, but I don't trust Buffy and as a result don't trust this gigantic lynch train that's on Angi right now. I don't think Teebs is a bad lynch given his activity level and inability to contribute anything.

I also don't get the point in withholding this information about Angi's role. It just makes me distrust Buffy more. It's the same thing that happened with Moose earlier in the game. If Angi is a stabilizer, Buffy already is a massive target to that faction, so what's the point in withholding that kind of information?

Cake @ 19/6/2015 21:13

Colby, put some light in this, fight against buffy she is throwing shade at you and angi. Do you work together?

I don't work with Angi. I'm loling that people think I'm automatically a stabilizer because I don't want to lynch her. Do y'all really think I would come into this thread after Angi already had 8 lynch votes on her and defend her if I was her ally? There's obviously no hope for her at this point. If I were her ally, I would have hopped on the wagon too. I don't want to lynch her because I believe Buffy isn't to be trusted, and I'm standing by that regardless of if Angi is a stabilizer or not.