So, I speak up immediately about getting attacked by a day kill attempt, which took away 250HP from me, and that somehow makes me scummy? Makes sense!

I was Ahoda's biggest defender, probably the only one who put him in their 100% town category from Day 2 onward.

I also called out how the Chris lynch was stupid yesterday. Granted, it was after the fact. And I also had a momentary doubt before he finally flipped. His post about avenging him I thought could have been sarcasm initially.

The only thing you could call me out on was posting after the deadline had passed. And that isn't a scummy thing to do, it just isn't an acceptable thing to do, particularly when outing important info as I did. And normally, I would not post after deadline, but I wasn't aware the day was over in my initial posts. And once I was aware, it didn't matter cause I was a bit drunk and felt like messing around.

So, I would like to see some actual points raised against me that are actually scummy, because all I'm seeing right now are very vague accusations with no merit. Oddilus, you said you think I would have made my claims yesterday in a different way if I was town. Elaborate.

Christian, thus far all you have said is you didn't like that shit at the end of the day. That's nice and vague too. Give me solid reasoning please.

Oddilus @ 26/8/2016 0:49

I'm fairly convinced that Drake's "i'm a noob" posts are an act (After all, I'm new to this as well) and that his feud with Wikey is as well, and that they're really two scum trying to put distance between each other.

Wait a minute, what feud?

I'm suspicious of:

Drake - Every day he posts something outrageously scummy and gets away with it. And nobody seems to care. I suspect that his potential scum team may be encouraging him to make really scummy posts to make him appear too obvious a target for the lynch.

Okay, enough tunnel vision. Here are some other people I find scummy:

Rose - She said she think's I'm trolling, which to an extent was true in the initial days. But I could say the same for her. She seems very non committal and is pretty much following everyone else. I would not be against lynching Rose either. Not sure why anyone sees her as town!

Curtis - Lurking like a bastard, and definitely not being helpful. He seemed to be indicating some distrust for Ahoda the other day despite his solid claim, which I found off.

Vernon - Hard to say really. Like others I'm becoming more suspicious of him as we go on. One thing though: If Vernon is scum, Curtis probably is too.

Helios - He seems to have quietened down considerably, after dominating discussion and putting pressure on people. Sudden changes of behavior always come across as shady to me. Was his initial burst of activity an attempt to blend in, which he hasn't felt the need to maintain?

Timmah and Merc - Both lurkers, both scummy to me.

Not sure who I would put in the town category right now tbh. I want to say Oddilus is town because his claim seems solid, but he does strike me as scummy for some reason.

Is there absolutely no way he couldn't be the vote stealer?

I can't believe this only just occurred to me, but we have just been assuming the vote stealer and doublevoter are two separate roles. Whereas in fact they could quite easily be one and the same. Everybody who has flipped thus far has multiple powers. So it stands to reason that there may be a role which includes multiple powers related to manipulating the votes. A votestealer/doublevoter, with who knows what ULT power.

Also, before anybody says it, doublevoter CAN be a scum role. It is rare, but it absolutely can. Vote stealer could easily be a scum role too.

Oddilus being the vote stealer as well as the doublevoter wouldn't necessarily make him scum though. It would be interesting and worth noting, but it wouldn't be damning. He could still be town, and have been using his steal to cancel the votes of players he found suspicious.

HOWEVER

It would be quite a coincidence that when someone tried to day kill me yesterday, I also got a notification that my vote had been cancelled. (Forgot to mention this in the heat of the moment)

So...I'm not willing to put Oddilus anywhere near the confirmed town pile just yet. Meaning I am not feeling good about any of you right now. Which is an annoying state to be in on Day 4.

##Lynch Drake

Going to a wedding

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 10:17

I know Wikey is a very clever player. He’s been very erratic this game- the end of day actions yesterday, the vote on Herm, etc. all point to someone not very focused on the game. His activity has been a bit erratic as well. I take this more as someone trying to *look* unfocused rather than actual neglect of the game. Combined with the drake feud, this looks engineered in my eyes.

Where did this myth come from?

You can't trust anything that Jamaican says.

I gotta say, I don't see how Drake flipping scum would make me scum. I called him out on his BS immediately, at a time when he was attracting no attention. More importantly, nobody was interesting in pursuing him except me until today.

It would make little sense to attract attention to a teammate who was under no threat. Plus, it would be terribly mean to throw a new player under the bus if they were your team mate.

I don't see it. If no more solid leads come up, I think Drake would be the best choice today.

Also, @Curtis @Rose

Yall both are striking me as very non committal and seem to be waiting for an easy townie to pile on.

One more thing...the day kill attempt may not have been from scum, though the fact that it came combined with a cancelled vote suggests it was a coordinated attack.

The fact that Lamps flipped a role which interferes with lynch votes makes me more wary of trusting Odd. I wasn't aware that somebody else got their vote cancelled. That is interesting, and it sounds highly likely that there is a scum version of the same role.

It is worth keeping in mind that Odd almost certainly has other abilities in addition to his double vote, which appears to be passive. And furthermore, it is also likely that his additional power is related to vote manipulation. hmmmm

Helios, was it you who attacked me?!

Tbh, it could just as easily be read as him saying he doesn't have an attacking role fullstop.

Is Drake Vernon on another account?

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 13:15

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 10:26 You can't trust anything that Jamaican says. I gotta say, I don't see how Drake flipping scum would make me scum. I called him out on his BS immediately, at a time when he was attracting no attention. More importantly, nobody was interesting in pursuing him except me until today. It would make little sense to attract attention to a teammate who was under no threat. Plus, it would be terribly mean to throw a new player under the bus if they were your team mate. I don't see it. If no more solid leads come up, I think Drake would be the best choice today. Also, @Curtis @Rose Yall both are striking me as very non committal and seem to be waiting for an easy townie to pile on. Considering people were asking on drake yesterday as well as today, this all strikes me as a bit overdramatic- like you are lining up your prior distancing now.

Except nobody would have been on Drake's case yesterday if it wasn't for me bringing him up the day before.

Because it was his reactions to me that progressively put him on all your radars. That first slip he made could have easily gone ignored had I not called him out. And several people actually did seem ready to dismiss it as Drake simply being a new player.

Well I am leading the lynch vote right now, with 4/8 votes. I think I could be excused for being overly defensive ;)

If Odd did happen to turn out to be scum doublevoter, it's worth noting that it was Helios who exposed him as such in the first place.

Whether that means Helios was setting a scum buddy up for a good early claim, or he was simply town figuring things out, is another question.

Pure speculation at this point anyway. But we definitely should be keeping this in mind. I was actually thinking the other day that if it wasn't for Odd's claim I would have found him scummy too. Not exactly sure what my reasoning was for that now though, without looking back.

Also here's a brief summary of Rose thus far in the game:

Day 2: She advocated for a Brian lynch, saying that an inactive lynch on Day 2 could be justified by the lack of discussion.

She lynched Brian with like an hour of the day left, rather than joining the Sab train, which struck me as a particularly pointless vote when it was clear nobody else was going to vote for Brian.

Rose did explain the next day that she thought the deadline for Day 2 was longer than it actually was, but it still struck me as rather pointless, given how quiet the day was. It could easily be interpreted as her trying to blend in. I'm not sure how much to believe this explanation personally.

Day 3: She lynched Brian again, saying she still liked the idea. I could forgive going after an inactive on Day 2, maybe. But this struck me as a bad idea on Day 3. She eventually switched to Angi, saying she didn't get a TOWN vibe from her.

Day 4: Joke lynched Drake. Pursued Brian once again, saying she thought he was scum, even though he hasn't posted enough to get a feeling either way on him. She said this in response to Brian talking about his role maybe being fake.

"There's possibly a reason on my end why whatever may not have worked but I don't think so. I think it would be mentioned if it could"

She lynched Merc in the end, not wanting to join the Chris train due to him already having enough votes. She inquired about who had been attacked thus far and said it was for a theory she was working on, something we haven't heard about since.

Day 5: Started today saying she would prefer a Drake lynch. Said she wants to hear from Dadd, Vladdy, Merc, myself, and Odd.

Tbh today is the only day she actually seems to be trying to get to the bottom of things, and actually investigating. Her MO before this seemed to be to lynch inactives or lynch someone quiet other than the popular lynch target. On Day 3 she put a late vote on Brian and on Day 4 she put a vote on Merc. I understand the idea of getting the ULT points, but this is why I have been getting the impression that she is non committal and not really trying.

Rose, I'd like to hear what your theory is that you were formulating yesterday.

One more thing, then I gotta go. Dis wedding is an all day thing!

If Odd isn't the other vote stealer, then that means we have three voting manipulation roles in the game that we know of.

That number could be considered excessive.

If we don't think there are three voting roles in the game, then I'd have to say there is a good chance Odd is the other vote stealer, and that would make him quite likely scum.

I don't think he should be the lynch today, however, as I'm much more sure about Drake.

Okay, gotta go. If I come back to find myself lynched you'll all be sorry (:

PS: Am I using been and being correctly? I've been trying once again to get it right

Don't judge me, I didn't go to college