ZacharyB @ 5/9/2020 22:35

jamie @ 5/9/2020 22:21 Herm mentioned jackie matt zach was who he had vibes about but then got a perry. Not sure if this is anything or not Don’t forget he basically said it was because we were quiet too. Matt was not someone I’d call quiet yesterday, maybe Herm was doing some distancing? :eyes:

we love throwing someone else under the bus to avoid suspicion when lumped together

playing family feud rn so i am off and on btw ~

Kyle @ 5/9/2020 23:07

Matt @ 5/9/2020 22:55 playing family feud rn so i am off and on btw ~ wtf does that mean?

kyle i would like a public apology plz

alright hello pals.

my concern is- would we truly have a town JOAT when we already had a spy flip that functionally is the same thing? i totally get why people are suspicious of me but my main argument in my defense is that every read/idea/push that I had was grounded in addressing the main confusions we had going on at the time and had a logical rationale behind it. if we had daykilled herm, regardless of his flip, we would still have pretty much the same information we had beforehand and no solid leads for our lynch. The hope was that gmaj would flip scum and his role would help clear up the 317 night 1 confusion. i had no reason to suspect herm was scum until his claim, so i advocated for the logical option that would have given us the most intel had it worked out.

i can’t fault zersch for following the same logic that i did, but i CAN be suspicious of his role claim and willingness to blame his action on people pressuring him (i dont even think i rly even did, i voiced my preference and the logic behind it) instead of just owning that the logic made sense...bc it did!

is it not a lil odd that i’m appearing on so many lynch lists but nobody wants to be the person to actually start my lynch train? lmao.

Thisisbad @ 6/9/2020 14:05

Matt @ 6/9/2020 13:00 is it not a lil odd that i’m appearing on so many lynch lists but nobody wants to be the person to actually start my lynch train? lmao. I deal with this every game. You should learn to enjoy it

i live for the attention i cannot lie

i ALSO would like to point out that I was one of the main people advocating for herm during anvil discussion and i was then included in his "lynch list of quiet people" despite being in the top half of posters and legitimately adding to the conversations and ideas. if we're under the impression herm was learning about the day via telephone, would it not stand to reason that mafia planned to try to throw me under the bus due to my support of the gmaj anvil?

Pen Newton @ 6/9/2020 14:14

Matt is defending himself against non-existing pressure

actually i'm scumhunting tysm

my logic is as follows:

- i am town
- i am being sussed by a lot of people
- herm, a scum, put me on a "quiet" lynch list after i advocated for a town anvil. this strikes me as odd.
- today, after someone brought up suspicion of herm's list, zach immediately throws me utb to divert attention from himself. sus.
- zersch also brings up my name as someone who "pressured him into killing gmaj", despite me being one of many voices who advocated for the same thing.
- i'm on many people's sus lists and none of them want to be labeled as the person who pushed my lynch for when i do, inevitably, flip town.

all of these things are just OFF to me, obviously i'm going to be hyperfocused on things concerning me because my alignment is the only thing i know of for sure. i do think that mafia was/would be pushing me as a scapegoat to cover for others on their team, whether they were also advocates for a gmaj kill or on herm's lynch list.

Thisisbad @ 6/9/2020 14:27

Matt - "I am going to spend the day talking about myself but i'm going to pass it off as scumhunting and i will ignore the fact that not one single person is voting me" Matt, we get it, you are supertown.

listen i'm just noticing a pattern here and hoping someone else can give some productive input into it lmao. i am not the only person who think it's sketch that zersch is changing his tune about his anvil decision when it's convenient for him. since he specifically threw my name out there as someone that he felt made him do it, does it not stand to reason that if he is scum, i would probably end up on the lynch lists of some of his other scum buddies to set up a viable alternative before this jackie thing started to take off?

The Goose @ 6/9/2020 14:31

Matt @ 6/9/2020 13:12 i ALSO would like to point out that I was one of the main people advocating for herm during anvil discussion and i was then included in his "lynch list of quiet people" despite being in the top half of posters and legitimately adding to the conversations and ideas. if we're under the impression herm was learning about the day via telephone, would it not stand to reason that mafia planned to try to throw me under the bus due to my support of the gmaj anvil? So it's just a coincidence that you happened to bring up that you just don't understand why people cling to vibes instead of solving actual problems while I was debating what to do with the anvil?

this literally wasn't even about you lmao. People were advocating for Herm because they had "vibes". Others were advocating for gmaj to clear up the night 1 confusion. Seeing that I was in with the gmaj crowd, I was pointing out a general pattern I have noticed in my mafia return where people will flat out ignore the main issues being discussed to cling to whatever gut feelings they have and not really give any better reasons for it. The only thing herm had going against him at that point were people's reads, and it legit didn't make sense to me why people were pushing him over gmaj where the reward for a scum flip would have been more information in guiding our lynch choice.

The Goose @ 6/9/2020 14:34

Matt yesterday My big thing about a gmaj anvil is that we seek to gain the most information to help with a lynch depending on his flip. With Herm, the only evidence we’ve seen presented thus far is “vibes” and we don’t get nearly as much of a logical lynch option from his flip. This reads like advocation for the gmaj anvil to me. I guess it's possible I misunderstood what you were saying.

No I'm not denying I wanted a gmaj anvil. I still stand by that logic. If it worked out and he flipped scum we would have been in a better position to find other scum just based on the conflicting stories of what happened with him night 1. If we had killed Herm, gmaj still probably would have been the lynch and we'd have still been in the same position today sans the blackout last night, which obviously I would not have known about. All I'm saying is it seemed like you were quick to throw me out there as someone pressuring it to save Herm when it was really about the best possible sequence of events that could have put town in the best place.

Thisisbad @ 6/9/2020 14:38

Matt @ 6/9/2020 13:31 Thisisbad @ 6/9/2020 14:27 Matt - "I am going to spend the day talking about myself but i'm going to pass it off as scumhunting and i will ignore the fact that not one single person is voting me" Matt, we get it, you are supertown. listen i'm just noticing a pattern here and hoping someone else can give some productive input into it lmao. i am not the only person who think it's sketch that zersch is changing his tune about his anvil decision when it's convenient for him. since he specifically threw my name out there as someone that he felt made him do it, does it not stand to reason that if he is scum, i would probably end up on the lynch lists of some of his other scum buddies to set up a viable alternative before this jackie thing started to take off? I am trying to tell you as someone who goes through this on a regular basis that sometimes people just strike you as off. It happens all the time. You can choose to fight it all day long or you can just ignore it and move on with the game. But honestly you keep harping on it it makes me wonder if the vague vibes are right about you. If your goal is to get off people's radar, you are doing the opposite.

naw my goal is to let people know that if/when i die, and you see my role flip, these are the things to look back on to find scum. there's no guarantee i'll be here on day 4 to share this theory, so why not get my info and suspicions out in the open here while I can and hopefully lead town to find scum based off of the things i'm saying?

The Goose @ 6/9/2020 14:35

How have I changed my stance on my anvil decision.

it went from "this had the best logic to it" to "well i did it because people wanted me to", from my perspective