Why is that, Curtis?

I'm actually surprised they killed Spin instead of me (or Zersch) with all the Spin accusations last round.

Curtis @ 27/8/2017 14:07

I thought for sure I was gonna be the mislynch and I was BRM (blood red mad) screaming at my computer for most of the day

I don't see you screaming getting BRM, especially over a mafia game.

Curtis @ 27/8/2017 14:10

Buffy @ 27/8/2017 14:08 I'm actually surprised they killed Spin instead of me (or Zersch) with all the Spin accusations last round. lol same, I thought for sure you were dead and thay Spin would push conspiracy theories against Zersch all day today

Why would he push them against Zersch? I think Zersch is pretty much in the clear today. Actually, we had some discussions last night and I posted a bunch of stuff in case I died. He probably would've ignored it though :P

So, I see Curtis & TIB pretty much have to accuse each other since one of them is GF.

Zersch, this is all on us. We need to agree today.

Curtis @ 27/8/2017 14:16

It's 100% TIB The one nice thing about being an observer yesterday was that it felt like I was a dead player who could take a step back and watch it that way. It was so clear to me all day that it's 317/TiB. 317 pushing Zersch, TiB pushing me. Both hoping the Masons/Zersch would join either one of them

317 voting Zersch was a "wtf" moment. Like, that came out of the blue but, tbh, he should've been suspecting Zersch since the D7 mass claim but never did.

In memory of Spin...

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im317 was mafia, and looks like he caused Curtis to be silenced. Although, if im317 new of the sabotaged results, he and curtis could have set that up in advance.

Zersch @ 27/8/2017 14:21

Yeah, plus he could only sabotage 2 of his items and I think the mirror was the last thing he handed out. If I remember the timeline correctly (which is entirely possible that I don't.)

Yeah supposed it was gun, rigged lie detector, rigged pocket watch, mirror. It is interesting that the pocket watch didn't go to someone like Rose or Zersch, though.

Last night I went through Curtis, TIB and 317's posts to find interactions between Curtis/317 and TIB/317 in the game.

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317 items: N1 - gun to Rose N2 - rigged lie detector to Spin N3 - rigged pocket watch to Curtis N4 - mirror to Zersch Looking through Curtis/317 interactions or posts about eachother: D1 - D2: Nothing about the game D3: Curtis voted 317 right away after Zersch called him out, probably because he thought Zersch had info. Doesn't really speak to whether he was mafia just making sure he got on the train right away or town thinking 317 was caught scum. N3: im317 says he passed the pocket watch to curtis this night, Curtis confirms. According to 317's role, he would have to decide whether to sabotage or not when he passed the item out. I guess it could be a long play by 317/Curtis if they were both scum and as a hail mary to use later on... but Curtis didn't use it until Rose and I kind of bugged him about it. Curtis wouldn't be a bad target by 317 if Curtis is town, though. Also, all the other recipients of 317's items were town. D4: im317 posts something about shaggy/scooby/edibles, Curtis calls him a legend. Doesn't really mean much. Ben, 317 and Curtis were all on Jamie's train in succession (although Ben did unlynch). idk if I see Curtis following two scummates on a lynch in order like that but that's wifom. D5: Curtis has 317 on his list as scummy (not about 317) but Curtis told Spin his partner revealed himself/herself that day. That seemed like a town post. If he was mafia, idk if he'd point it out like that. Quotes this post of 317's: "so there are votes on Ben and Lamps? i have a minor town read on Ben and i don't remember much of what Lamps has done. oh yeah TIB has votes too? im on the fence with him. i have to head out for a few hours now but i will be back way before deadline." and says "Anyone can have a vote on them if you try hard enough" - not a big deal, just seems like why highlight his scumbuddy who just posted about 2 of your other scumbuddies? Quotes this vote total (ongoing) and says the 4 voters, minus Vic, are giving him major pause, especially with vote totals so low - this was near end of day: Quote Ben (3/10): JJ, Lamps, Vic, im317, Mittens, Angi Sock (2/10): Ben, Mittens Again, pointing out Lamps, 317 and Ben - two of whom he would be scumbuddies with (probably didn't know about Lamps yet) if he is GF. D6: Talks about not trusting the people on the Ben or Sock lynch (see above) when agreeing Ben should have probably been the lynch. Giving his recommended kills to Primate: Quote I'd shoot Ben or Sock for the most answers. Then 317/Timmah/Lamps/TIB based on vibes. Then David for the hell of it. Then me for the hell of it Ben/Sock>>317/Timmah/Lamps/TIB>>David D7: Before mass claims: Quote Shoot or lynch any of these people imo: Lamps, 317, Timmah, Primate, David On the fringe: Angi, TIB Would not kill: Spin, JJ, Drr, Zersch, Mittens Protect all all costs: Curtis 317 calls Curtis scum after hearing Mittens claim and then Curtis says: Quote oooooooooooooooooooo I've connected some dots folks. 317 should be shot or lynched today Quote ##Lynch 317 if Brian doesn't shoot him Quote I've figured out 317's role and I'd be pretty surprised if it's a town one given what we've seen Quote lol you guys believe 317's claim? I don't at all I did receive the pocket watch but there was no reason for me to broadcast that I had something unless I was gonna use it during that day, would've just got me killed before I could use it probably. I was waiting for someone to signal to me that they sent it but I never saw anything from anyone. As soon as 317 posted that thing earlier today about me I realized it was him That's why I called for him to die, I think he's probably mafia inventor. I trust Zersch and now Mittens and can't buy that all three roles are Town, especially with one of his inventions being rigged About the pocket watch, I either used it around the time I got it and saw no effect or I've been holding onto it for a rainy day, I'll say which if we think it's necessary. I dunno how 317 thinks I'm scum at all for not publicly claiming I got it Quote Probably shoot 317 and form new opinions based on his flip and then lynch Lamps, so both. I believe Lamps when he says he isn't aligned so I feel better about 317 being a threat David and Timmah outside of them so I can stop being connected to them in people's minds D8: Quote Angi and 317 are probably final scum Quote Who else? We're the only viable candidates since we've claimed non-visiting roles. Likelihood for Godfather is Angi-David-TIB imo with 317 as Mafia Inventor D9: Quote David/317 for final mafia imo In response to TIB: Quote How can you not think it's 317? Especially after the Timmah lynch David/317 TiB/317 If it's any of the rest of you instead then HATS OFF again to TIB: Quote The fact that you're acting like it's wildly impossible for it to be you makes you way more suspicious. Also the fact that you don't think it's 317 for some bizarre reason Felt best about lynching: Quote im317 because he's probably the guarantee of the three. The only common denominator in what I think the remaining team is. David's right behind, then TiB Quote 1. How many mafia is left Two 2. Who is it David and im317 BOOK 'EM My lynch order would be: Quote David/327 - TIB - Zersch Mafia kinda flopped so I think a classic clever ploy was needed. That points to TIB or Zersch if they ended up doing something like that, TIB setting up his claim with Jamie vouching for him or Zersch outing Maddie who was gonna be real busy anyway That's the only thing that points to Zersch imo. Besides his pretty sudden behavior change. I was worried that there could be a cult or the mafia had a one time recruitment solely based on Zersch's change But in all likelihood 317 is mafia inventor and I can buy Town JOAT with mittens' role. I think this is probably as straightforward as David/317. Hopefully In response to Rose as to whether he still has pocket watch: Quote Driving It's in my back pocket. Was gonna use it late game but don't trust it since 317 gave it to me Quote Home now hello. It's easier for you to say because you trust 317 tho, I don't buy him as Town at all If I was scum I would've just claimed I used it on TiB earlier or something, someone without a visiting action that couldn't be disputed

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Interactions with/about 317: D1: Nothing, but does say Curtis is a close second after he lynches Vic D2: Nada D3: Nothing about 317, some banter with Curtis D4: Nothing D5: Nothing about 317. He did mention how mad he was at himself for getting off Jamie lynch previous day (maybe he protests too much?? ); no mention of 317 but he does lynch Angi right away, no explanation as to why. (I'm kind of reading this as he was afraid of being lynched and pretty paranoid about unlynching Jamie, so he voted Angi for distancing just in case. She did have 2 ninja kills but we don't know if/when she used those. He was also very ready to claim right away, probably because he had those breadcrumbs ready. ) D6: Nothing D7: Not one word about 317's claim or about 317 being called out as possible mafia inventor. He did get on Timmah's lynch, which was ballsy if he's GF, but he did try to lynch David first. one of last posts did mention 317: Quote I'd like as my last post to say again I'd rather be lynching David or im D8: Not one thing about 317. Did lynch Angi in first post - but this was the obvious lynch. D9: When Rose asked TIB: TIB, why Curtis and not im317?? Quote I don't like either one of their claims but it seems to annoy Curtis more when I suggest him. Quote In all seriousness it comes down to not trusting Curtis or his claim and really needing to look at I'm more To Curtis: Quote Except I'm not pushing your lynch and the only one I feel strongly about is David (There are a few more posts which I'm not quoting but not too many if you want to go back and read. The main thing is, he never ever pushes a 317 lynch or says much about him until pushed to, and then it's very off-hand and focus goes back to Curtis.) D10: Talks about 317 a lot but lynches Curtis.

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Interactions/posts re Curtis or TIB: D1-D3: - Nada D4: - Nothing D5: Lists TIB on reads list under "people i feel not good about" - leaves Curtis off list. When asked (by JJ) he says about Curtis: Quote im not sure about him, i had him as town going into day 4 but something that didn't happen that day has me unsure. (probably talking about the pocket watch) Afterwards he says: Quote i just remembered that something i thought happened night 2 actually happened night 3, so i feel good about Curtis again. Quote so there are votes on Ben and Lamps? i have a minor town read on Ben and i don't remember much of what Lamps has done. oh yeah TIB has votes too? im on the fence with him. i have to head out for a few hours now but i will be back way before deadline. D6: Quote my thoughts? you people screwed up moving the lynch to Farlig. granted i didn't have a town read on him, but i didn't have a scum read either. i lean scum on Ben and Sock, trying to remember if there was something about either of Primate or TIB that more or less cleared them. Quote people i would be ok lynching today, in order from most to least ok Sock TIB Timmah Primate - no clue what you are claiming Curtis Angi Lamps D7: Quote locked in town: 317, Spin, JJ, Zersch highly probably town: Drr, TIB, Mittens neutral: Timmah, Primate, David would shoot/lynch: Lamps, Angi, Curtis to Curtis: Quote given Mittens claim, if hes telling the truth then i think you are scum 95%. Claims and talks about giving pocket watch to Curtis. Quote Kill list to Primate: Lamps Curtis Angi D8: only post is to lynch Angi and yawn D9: Lynches David in first post. Quote David as Godfather with TIB as his scum mate. D10: Quote Benjamin is good. also i think the scum are either TIB and Curtis or a super long con of TIB and Zersch. Quote well i figure the godfather is either TIB or Curtis. then the last mafia would be either whichever of them its not, or if hes been playing a major long con i guess it could be Zersch. or do you think its Spin? Quote or are there 2 mafia left and Curtis and someone else are framing me, i bet its him and TIB. Quote on the other hand that would be an awful lot of long cons for 1 game. so maybe Zersch is the long con and its actually Curtis who is the godfather. his claim was incredibly convenient. Quote im not sure with Curtis. i mean as far as i know the pocket watch was fine, but i thought the same about the lie detector. maybe im just a bad inventor? Quote so some of you still think im scum, and i understand why. i do question why blocking Dadd makes Zersch town, i mean Dadd did turn out to be town after all. in fact didn't he flip as the person who could redirect roles? maybe im on to something with TIB setting up a fake hated claim and Jamie had scanned Dadd? a mafia jack blocking a possible re-director would make a lot of sense. Quote oh yeah that makes sense. i never pictured him as godfather tbh. the more i think about it the more i think its TIB as godfather with Zersch as mafia jack. Quote i do question why blocking Dadd makes Zersch town, i mean Dadd did turn out to be town after all. in fact didn't he flip as the person who could redirect roles? maybe im on to something with TIB setting up a fake hated claim and Jamie had scanned Dadd? a mafia jack blocking a possible re-director would make a lot of sense. (D10 quotes are a bit out of order and he's accusing both Curtis & TIB seemingly equally before he changed tactics and voted Zersch after I think it seemed like im317 would be lynched. )

So, im317 or TIB didn't give a lot to search through.

im317 didn't say anything until D5 when he put TIB on his reads list as people he didn't feel good about, and left Curtis off the list. I asked him why he left Curtis off and he said he wasn't sure about Curtis but had him as down going into D4 but that something happened/didn't happen which has him wondering. Then later he said he figured it out and feels good about Curtis again. Then puts him back on his "would lynch" list. TIB was #2, Curtis was #5. So, kind of inconclusive there.

The biggest thing with 317 is how he went after Curtis D7 after all the claims and said Curtis has to be scum (after Mittens claim) because he didn't use or talk about the pocket watch.


TIB didn't really say much until D5 when he talks about being mad at himself for unlynching Jamie. It could be looked at as a bit much as no one was ever really on him about it. He said he wanted to claim that day but no one said they wanted him to and he dropped it. I think it's possible he felt comfortable because of the bread-crumbing he'd been doing and because Jamie had listed his claimed "hated townie" role. Anyway, nothing happened.

TIB didn't mention anything about 317 until D7 and not anything about his claim and not believing it. He only mentioned him at the end of the day when he said if he dies he would rather have lynched David or 317. He looks good for getting on the Timmah lynch but, maybe he felt he had no choice and, who knows?

On D9 he suspects Curtis over 317 but lynches David.

On D10 he talks about 317 but lynches Curtis.


Curtis has a lot more to look through. I'm going to recap but, the main thing I notice is he does go really hard after 317 after D7 mass claims. He was really pushing for 317 to be killed while Rose was pushing Lamps.

I agree with Zersch that it would be a "Curtis thing to do" to set up the pocket watch incident, pretend to be silenced, etc. I just keep looking back at how hard he was pushing for Primate to kill 317 on D7.

Curtis @ 27/8/2017 14:38

Also I was looking back during yesterday, why would the mafia scan TIB? They scanned one of JJ or Spin and Jamie claimed it to have the masons help back him, but TIB is a strange choice for mafia scanner to pick + there's no real reason to call out to a hated townie for backup like there would be with the Masons. It'd have been smarter for Mafia to not reveal that there was a hated townie. It's a very clear set up between TIB/Jamie to me

Good point. TIB would probably not be a big priority since he was barely adding anything and probably lynchable.

Zersch @ 27/8/2017 14:47

My mind keeps wanting to go into rule breaking territory here with the hated town slash possible godfather claim.

Ohhh now I'm curious. I was SO happy to see the ghost clown flip as a role, and as a mafia role lol. That was the one of the scariest Scooby Doo villains for me when I was little.

I think Curtis is taking his new freedom of speech a bit for granted already.

thisisbad @ 27/8/2017 14:57

I would just like to remind everyone (mostly Buffy) that 2 votes lynch me today. So mafia need to convince you to vote me then game is over

It takes 3 - there are 4 alive.

thisisbad @ 27/8/2017 15:03

Buffy @ 27/8/2017 12:59 thisisbad @ 27/8/2017 14:57 I would just like to remind everyone (mostly Buffy) that 2 votes lynch me today. So mafia need to convince you to vote me then game is over It takes 3 - there are 4 alive. You won't believe me until game is over, but there def only takes 2 to,lynch me. That's why today's focus will be on me and then sometime tomorrow you'll vote me then mafia will jump on. I will be lynched with 2

Oh because you're "Hated Townie" - I get what you're saying. Well, it's either you or Curtis. Do you disagree with that?

TIB, Zersch is right. If you're town you would be voting Curtis, period. Same with Curtis, he should be voting TIB. That's why I said it's basically going to be down to me and Zersch.

I feel like you are spending more time talking about this lynching process than why you are not GF or why Curtis is. OR me, or Zersch, if that's going to be your position.