cast is perf so far, I like Dano for that part even more than Hill

Between this, Joker, Gunn's Suicide Squad, and (maybe) WW84 I think DC's starting to make a strong comeback tbh. I didn't realize they fired their creative director after Justice League, it shows - they're no longer trying to emulate everything Marvel's doing which is GOOD. There's still gonna be the Aquaman/Flash/etc movies I don't care about at all but at least they have some VARIETY going on and can creatively afford to have self-contained movies

Colin Farrell = Penguin
Andy Serkis = Alfred

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-casts-john-turturro-as-crime-boss-carmine-falcone-1257437

lol oh man

is he just gonna fight his entire rogues gallery in this

yeah idk, prob has to do with not being a teen anymore but this gets me nowhere near as hyped as I was for the Nolan movies. I'm at least more interested than the Batffleck shit which I never even ended up seeing

Kravitz looks p good, after playing through the Telltale games and how well they handled Catwoman in those I'm looking forward to a better bigscreen rendition of her

my theater was offering early tickets so I'll be seeing this tomo

idk, I want to see it because of how much I've liked Reeves' previous movies but I don't feel that hyped about it. I feel like since Nolan's trilogy already did such a great job with that character it's felt like any other iteration is a bit pointless. Especially with this one looking pretty similar tonally

But we'll see! I guess it's better to go in with lower expectations and be surprised. Cloverfield and the Apes movies have been some of the best blockbuster movies of this century so I'm sure Reeves will deliver. If it ends up even topping Begins as the second-best Batman movie I'll be satisfied since I highly doubt it'll be able to touch TDK

it was...dece!

Patts and Kravitz were definitely the highlights. The villains...were mostly fine

I thought the first act was really enthralling and was super into it, but I felt like it kinda started to falter after that. The pacing definitely could've used some work

Would I see more from this universe? Yeah. Do I need to see more? Eh!

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I do think Kravitz was good but man she's kinda wasted after the first half or so I think. The Bat & Cat romance feels super sudden and not that organic. I feel like if they would've honed in more on that this movie would've been much better for it cuz that at least had the strongest ELEMENTS. But there was too much else going on Riddler was...unique. I didn't love it tbh, felt kinda just like a creepy Paul Dano performance turned up to 11. I think I would've much rather seen Jonah Hill take a crack at it Also, would've liked to see Batman actually outsmart Riddler at all? In the beginning it felt like they were playing up the World's Greatest Detective moniker but Batman becomes p dumb after the first act. I really thought that's where it was building, that the Riddler would be constantly one step ahead until finally Batman cracks the case at the end and foils the final step of his grand plan HATED the Joker appearance at the end. I mean obviously they were gonna go there again eventually but, c'mon. This is the 4th Joker in 14 years! And two of those were all-timer performances, and just based on the teaser this one seems very generic. Although with that said, that scene was awfully reminiscent of the way Telltale Batman introduces their Joker who I similarly hated at first, and later grew into a pretty great rendition once he got more of the spotlight. So perhaps this will end up the same way, perhaps. Still sick of these new Jokers tho ...POSITIVES: Tuturro as Falcone was probably the best villain of them all tbh. RIP! Noir atmosphere was good, liked the constant rain and night scenes Pattinson was p believable as a weirdo loner billionaire kid. Would've liked to see him play more of the Bruce Wayne side of things

soz :( I seem to be an outlier tho!

Curtis @ 5/3/2022 18:54

Boc you’re wild my man. Wild! It was so good

gimme your review!

Curtis @ 6/3/2022 15:48

Spoiler + Hard to even compare this to TDK since that's a sequel and this is just getting going, but there's a lot that this did better imo. TDK is still my favorite but it has more and more problems and some really questionable and borderline dumb moments and lines and editing choices on rewatch. It's great obviously and will be the most iconic Batman movie for quite some time but it's not exactly untouchable. This was CERTAINLY better than Batman Begins for me, no question. I'm really excited to see what they'll do with a sequel now I thought this was a near perfect Batman movie really. 9 outta 10, I loved it and was pretty entranced the whole time. Felt like there was very little that could've been cut. Except for like a thirty second stretch during the car chase that I kinda couldn't believe they left in since it was starting to feel like I was watching a gif on repeat. Still a great sequence tho, loved the upside down shot so much Love RPatz, thought he did so well. My favorite Batman I think. I'm no comic nerd but it felt the most faithful. The way he lumbered through crime scenes like a freak. I think what I liked the most about this is that it feels like the first Batman movie where Batman himself actually stole the show, not one of his villains. The opening with him possibly lurking in shadows was great. I loved anytime he slowly emerged from one. Felt Rorschach esque at the start The score was perfect, Giacchino killed it. I keep listening on repeat. Reeved also crushed it. Cinematography was great, etc Though all three villains were well cast and equally interesting. Turtorro might've stole the show for me but I love Dano's Riddler and the obvious Zodiac inspiration. Disagree entirely with you Cart about wanting Batman to outsmart Riddler in the end, that just feels so paint by numbers and expected at this point. I loved that this basically ended in a massive loss, more or less. Kinda nice to see the villain actually be as smart as they're supposed to be and get the W, but Batman/the city still ultimately winning by persevering etc etc. Refreshing change of pace and makes me even more excited for a sequel that picks up with Gotham in that state. Speaking of which, gr8 Gotham. Better than Nolan's Gotham Kravitz>Hathaway by a mile. Agreed with Dyl that I would've liked to see her more grey, but she still had her moments. I didn't mind the romance, felt more like some good ole fashioned sexual tension between the two than a cheesy tacked on romance plot Way way way above the average superhero movie and better than anything in the MCU. Second favorite superhero movie of all time maybe?? I'm not usually so high on movies after just one watch but the superhero bar is p low and the tone of this was exactly what I usually look for. Looking forward to rewatching when I can

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I actually got way more Se7en vibes from this but I can see the Zodiac connections too And idk, if they were trying to set up Batman as more of a detective in this one it would've been nice if they actually gave him some Ws here and there. I get that he's still learning but most of this movie was just things getting explained at him by Riddler/Penguin/etc. The only instance I can remember of him actually doing 'good' detective work was the crime scene in the beginning which I thought was setting the tone for the rest but apparently not

TDK >>> Begins > (this) > TDKR for me

Laura Bailey >>>> Kravitz >>>> Hathaway for Catwomen

Curtis @ 6/3/2022 16:28

Boc @ 6/3/2022 17:17 Curtis @ 6/3/2022 15:48 Spoiler + Hard to even compare this to TDK since that's a sequel and this is just getting going, but there's a lot that this did better imo. TDK is still my favorite but it has more and more problems and some really questionable and borderline dumb moments and lines and editing choices on rewatch. It's great obviously and will be the most iconic Batman movie for quite some time but it's not exactly untouchable. This was CERTAINLY better than Batman Begins for me, no question. I'm really excited to see what they'll do with a sequel now I thought this was a near perfect Batman movie really. 9 outta 10, I loved it and was pretty entranced the whole time. Felt like there was very little that could've been cut. Except for like a thirty second stretch during the car chase that I kinda couldn't believe they left in since it was starting to feel like I was watching a gif on repeat. Still a great sequence tho, loved the upside down shot so much Love RPatz, thought he did so well. My favorite Batman I think. I'm no comic nerd but it felt the most faithful. The way he lumbered through crime scenes like a freak. I think what I liked the most about this is that it feels like the first Batman movie where Batman himself actually stole the show, not one of his villains. The opening with him possibly lurking in shadows was great. I loved anytime he slowly emerged from one. Felt Rorschach esque at the start The score was perfect, Giacchino killed it. I keep listening on repeat. Reeved also crushed it. Cinematography was great, etc Though all three villains were well cast and equally interesting. Turtorro might've stole the show for me but I love Dano's Riddler and the obvious Zodiac inspiration. Disagree entirely with you Cart about wanting Batman to outsmart Riddler in the end, that just feels so paint by numbers and expected at this point. I loved that this basically ended in a massive loss, more or less. Kinda nice to see the villain actually be as smart as they're supposed to be and get the W, but Batman/the city still ultimately winning by persevering etc etc. Refreshing change of pace and makes me even more excited for a sequel that picks up with Gotham in that state. Speaking of which, gr8 Gotham. Better than Nolan's Gotham Kravitz>Hathaway by a mile. Agreed with Dyl that I would've liked to see her more grey, but she still had her moments. I didn't mind the romance, felt more like some good ole fashioned sexual tension between the two than a cheesy tacked on romance plot Way way way above the average superhero movie and better than anything in the MCU. Second favorite superhero movie of all time maybe?? I'm not usually so high on movies after just one watch but the superhero bar is p low and the tone of this was exactly what I usually look for. Looking forward to rewatching when I can Spoiler + I actually got way more Se7en vibes from this but I can see the Zodiac connections too And idk, if they were trying to set up Batman as more of a detective in this one it would've been nice if they actually gave him some Ws here and there. I get that he's still learning but most of this movie was just things getting explained at him by Riddler/Penguin/etc. The only instance I can remember of him actually doing 'good' detective work was the crime scene in the beginning which I thought was setting the tone for the rest but apparently not Spoiler + I thought he had plenty of small a ha moments when it came to putting the clues together. Finding that unseen blood stain in the opening murder, solving the lies still riddle, finding the envelope in the bat cage, figuring out the thumb drive, finding the car to get the thumb drive, figuring out the URL bit, telling the police the tool he found would match the murder weapon blood stain, ripping up the carpet and finding the grand plan and realizing the message was the password. The movie was full of em really. He even solved the final Riddler plan but was literally seconds too late

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ok fair (: I guess I ultimately would've been more okay with it if I liked Riddler as a villain more. Like how Joker wins in a semi-similar way in TDK and obv can't complain about that

I do feel like I'll prob give it a rewatch at some point tho, all of my LBxd friends that have seen it so far have given it a 4.5/5 and I feel like I'm missing out!!

ok now I definitely feel more confident with my opinion

I for one am glad they cut that scene (could've deleted the other one too) and think the rendition is really dull

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I read an interview where Reeves said he's undecided if the Joker will even be featured in future movies and that the cameo wasn't meant as a MCU-style teaser and was only kept in to instill more of a reason for Bruce to stay in Gotham at the end cuz his job's only just begun etc I hope he sticks to that! Give some others in the rogues gallery a chance ffs. But realistically, when that character can make a BILLION dollars with an R-rated standalone movie, there's no way the studio's not gonna be breathing down his neck to shoehorn him into future movie(s)

Curtis @ 26/3/2022 7:31

Spoiler + I think Nolan wanted to use Joker in this same way in TDKR? I forget

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nah iirc Joker was gonna have a fully fledged role in TDKR and was gonna break out of prison at some point in the movie. Nolan essentially had to start from scratch after Ledger died what could've been :(