some of the largest parts of yourself are not unique to you alone. we inherit most of our biology. we are mostly products of our rearing and environment. our influence on each other is pervasive and the effects of our actions can cascade for generations. the individual is both more and less than the body because the individual is not merely the body. our bodies might die, but do we ever truly die? were we ever born? how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

p.s. https://www.google.com/search?q=emergent+property

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:15

Personally I believe in reincarnation and that we are all god and have always been god and forever will be god interpreting the universe that we created through different eyes and circumstances and hoping to make the best of it that we can. So yes, there is an afterlife, and one after that and one after that and one after that.

yo do you believe that collective human consciousness can unite into godhead especially if we continue harnessing the material universe to supplement our intelligence pls respond

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:19

we're spanish bbq:spin: @ 1/11/2017 13:18 Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:15 Personally I believe in reincarnation and that we are all god and have always been god and forever will be god interpreting the universe that we created through different eyes and circumstances and hoping to make the best of it that we can. So yes, there is an afterlife, and one after that and one after that and one after that. yo do you believe that collective human consciousness can unite into godhead especially if we continue harnessing the material universe to supplement our intelligence pls respond No because consciousness is not just a construct of humanity though I do believe if we continue with technology humans will eventually create a construct that will either refer to us as God or believe itself to be god

yo but what i'm saying requires that it's not a construct so it seems like you agree at first

bruh do you think hegel was on to something with the thought that the world spirit is the sum of all human utterances and that through conversation alone (including unspoken) that we are slowly shifting humanity itself from the physical to the moral which is why we have laws and stuff i mean can you imagine lions putting each other in jail for murder lolol

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:26

You know I'm more aristotelian than anything bro, metaphysics god of the philosophers and all that

yo dawg this is a good point because of the prisonhouse of language and the fact that using english to discuss the afterlife makes it damn tough to bracket out the neoplatonism that has dominated western thought since at least its reintroduction into europe in like what the 12th century or some shit

but yo i don't see how the foal's epistemology really maps here because p much any theory of universals has a tough time accounting for emergent properties and also wtf is up with his causal relata bro it kinds seems like if we say that the dialectical process is teleological that we're saying it's not dialectical so wtf

Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 15:32

Do animals have consciousness? Next poll right here.

yo humans are animals and so if we have consciousness then yeah

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:33

Does grass have consciousness? Next poll

yo probs not because there seems to be some biological realities underlying intelligence and intelligence seems to be a prereq for consciousness and so even without hammering out the terms we can see an evolution that would likely continue and so we're right back to the thing i was asking and oh god what if those transhumanism nerds are right wtf

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:39

But is there an afterlife? Let's get this lol back on topic

yo but if you're constraining life to the physical body then probs not altho then look at the ship of theseus and what precisely is the body and is any body the same body if it's not identical a second later and then if you're not constraining life of the individual to the life of the body then are we even born do we ever die and what would after be if there's always life RT followback

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:43

Intelligence is not a prereq for consciousness imo

yo but isn't consciousness an autorational process and so how can you reason if you don't have the nerve cells to do so maybe we should ask igor this isn't my department

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:44

we're spanish bbq:spin: @ 1/11/2017 13:42 Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:39 But is there an afterlife? Let's get this lol back on topic yo but if you're constraining life to the physical body then probs not altho then look at the ship of theseus and what precisely is the body and is any body the same body if it's not identical a second later and then if you're not constraining life of the individual to the life of the body then are we even born do we ever die and what would after be if there's always life RT followback Exactly, so both yes and no

yo goddammit bro don't go all heraclitus on me now with all this unity of opposites shit cmon man even if you can't step in the same river once you still got your feet wet by something and we can still give that something a name and oh shit we're back to the prisonhouse fuck

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:47

Igor, thoughts?

i'm guessing 'no'

vladykins @ 1/11/2017 16:01

Maybe it is the river Lethe and we forgot we stepped in it?

yo dawg so maybe virgil was right and we're all just reincarnated amnesiacs dang son

Bryce @ 1/11/2017 18:14

Where do you believe the big bang came from? What did it come from, I guess.

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Bryce @ 1/11/2017 20:55

But where did those forms of matter come from? Something has to begin for it to be, doesn't it?

yo dawg you're asking the big questions because we like to think we have free will and we cause things with our actions but then that suggests there's a prime mover and where did he/she/it come from and so we have an infinite regress and it becomes easier to just say there's an infinitude of prior causes but then we're stuck at the classic question why is there something rather than nothing and good luck with that one, oh and one thing about the big bang is that it's a cosmological horizon so we'll never have direct observation of its cause because there will always be events in the past whose light hasn't had time to reach us yet so yeah but then can you imagine the opposite where we could see all the past and which would freak you out more trust me it's better this way brobro

Bryce @ 1/11/2017 23:10

Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 23:18 Everything within the universe has been created from something, so it's only logical to assume that the same goes for everything that exists outside it as well if we're talking consistency and leaving a creator out of it. That's how I see it, at least. It's kind of like the chicken or the egg argument

it was the egg homie

spindoctor02 @ 1/11/2017 21:29

Bryce @ 1/11/2017 20:55 But where did those forms of matter come from? Something has to begin for it to be, doesn't it? Current scientific knowledge does not lead to an "acceptable" answer to this question for most people. That doesn't mean that in the future that new technology will allow for a revision of current thinking. That's the beauty of science. It's always adapting and updating itself based on new observations.

yo dawg but do you think we'll ever have full analytical certainty because science is a fundamentally inductive enterprise and there's that thing with the 'problem of induction' and shit so what's the point of creeping epistemes if we don't have any good guess about the upper limit i mean even popper tried to wish this away by saying induction doesn't really exist and science moves by conjecture but wtf that's just kicking the can right?