vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52

I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far.

It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol

vladykins @ 5/6/2017 8:00

Darren Sanders @ 4/6/2017 19:46 vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52 I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far. It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol 1) Nobody actually believes that. 2) Even if it *was* random, you should have realized that it would look bad and decided on doing a second "randomization". I work for a Big 4 firm. We have independence rules that seem overly stupid at times, but the point is to avoid anyone coming in and accusing the audit team of going easy because there is a business relationship between someone at the firm and the company being audited. Half a moment of self-realization would have shown you that this would look bad.

1) I dont actually care what anyone wishes to believe about a situation that involves my personal judgment and something I know to be the truth. It WAS random, regardless of what you wish to believe. I can't change your perception of MY reality, you do you boo.

2) I honestly didnt even remember that Spin had pulled some crazy shit on me until you guys started mentioning it. I dont hold grudges like that.

3) Like I said, it was a random split second decision in an attempt to get scum to target me and be outed. Didnt work, but I'd posit that killing a scum player and getting the mafia to use their ninja kill was worth it. I am sorry that Mittens got caught up in the crossfire though. My bad dude!

Mittens @ 5/6/2017 7:28

Thanks for running it! I haven't looked through all the roles, but how did DS get killed without notifying of the visitor? I'm still salty about DS, and will never trust him again.

Sorry bro! Should've trusted me when I told you not to visit me though, so saying you trusted me in the first place is a stretch.

spindoctor02 @ 5/6/2017 17:28

Darren Sanders @ 5/6/2017 19:39 vladykins @ 5/6/2017 8:00 Darren Sanders @ 4/6/2017 19:46 vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52 I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far. It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol 1) Nobody actually believes that. 2) Even if it *was* random, you should have realized that it would look bad and decided on doing a second "randomization". I work for a Big 4 firm. We have independence rules that seem overly stupid at times, but the point is to avoid anyone coming in and accusing the audit team of going easy because there is a business relationship between someone at the firm and the company being audited. Half a moment of self-realization would have shown you that this would look bad. 1) I dont actually care what anyone wishes to believe about a situation that involves my personal judgment and something I know to be the truth. It WAS random, regardless of what you wish to believe. I can't change your perception of MY reality, you do you boo. 2) I honestly didnt even remember that Spin had pulled some crazy shit on me until you guys started mentioning it. I dont hold grudges like that. 3) Like I said, it was a random split second decision in an attempt to get scum to target me and be outed. Didnt work, but I'd posit that killing a scum player and getting the mafia to use their ninja kill was worth it. I am sorry that Mittens got caught up in the crossfire though. My bad dude! Except you didn't kill a scum player. Read the mod forum, Team Chaos winning had no bearing on whether or not town won. So good job, you got a 3rd party lyncher killed, a town watcher killed, and yourself killed. HOF for sure.

You weren't town, so you were scum.

Town won bruh, and third party IS scum

Curtis @ 6/6/2017 10:54

im317 @ 6/6/2017 14:41 vladykins @ 6/6/2017 13:30 Darren Sanders @ 6/6/2017 12:57 Town won bruh, and third party IS scum If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as: Quote Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"." Scum = anti-town I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum. Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town. i have been trying to get them to learn this for over a year now, its tough going. Who is them DS is one of yours Plenty of FE members have always subscribed to that line of thinking. GET THAT THEM OUTTA HERE!!

Don't lump me in with glb I don't claim them

BadgerMcBeaver @ 6/6/2017 12:45

Also DS basically lost all credibility he had with me because of his bullshit at the beginning of this game. Because even if we bend over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't based on a vendetta, it's still terrible game play and the fact that he's defending it is even worse. It's one thing to try and draw attention to yourself by claiming something fake, but if your plan requires you as town to throw another random player under the bus, and then give a fake role claim trying to verify your information, it's basically a terrible plan and you're being an asshole. It's worthy of FE's all time HoL, not just this game's.

Im not defending it, but it certainly wasnt based on a vendetta


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vladykins @ 6/6/2017 10:30

Darren Sanders @ 6/6/2017 12:57 Town won bruh, and third party IS scum If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as: Quote Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"." Scum = anti-town I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum. Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town.

Would you have shown up as town or not town dude? Really. That's your argument?

BadgerMcBeaver @ 6/6/2017 19:13

DS, there are times when I think you really come up with good ways to hunt scum. I thought you did a good job in the game I hosted, for instance. But there are other times when you fuck up with your scum hunting, and you refuse to acknowledge that there was even a potential mistake or consider that you could have played differently. I can accept people making a mistake and owning up to it... even if it is a very large mistake. But when you adamantly defend your mistakes as good game play, it makes it basically impossible to take your future arguments seriously. I think Mittens explained it best in the graveyard when he said: "You can't expect people to be able to pick and choose which of your statements are true and which are bullshit."

Im not defending my play, but it wasnt a vendetta and i did hit a scumbucket regardless of if he was mafia or not.

Plus, please engage this from my point of view. I had a role which, with my personality, was VERY likely to draw town to me and out them. That, combined with, quitting my job, starting a new one, and traveling to three different cities in the last week and also getting subbed in randomly to the mafia championship last minute, it turned out I really did not have much time to play this game and as such that made me approach that role as "fuck it. im gonna TRY and draw attention to myself." Picked spin since he was the last one to post, called him scum, didnt like his reaction, called him scum more (which wasnt my initial plan, I was testing my mafia championship reaction test and was gonna back off), super didnt like his claim (so i doubled down), pushed him more, no one liked his claim so we lynched him AND I also attempted to give an out to people who would be visiting me. Most people listened. Mittens didnt. Thats totally on me. I apologize to Mittens once again.

I mean it might have been a shitshow but thats what that role was designed for and I just did it in over the top DS fashion. The mods got what I was doing and seemed to enjoy it.

Btw, thanks Jamie/Christian I had fun for the day I got to play!

I mean it was a fake claim about receiving fake information so idk what you want me to say about that

Plus I mean it was day one, if it was later in the game then yeah I would understand your frustration but I feel like you're overreacting a bit

BadgerMcBeaver @ 6/6/2017 22:05

Darren Sanders @ 7/6/2017 2:01 I mean it was a fake claim about receiving fake information so idk what you want me to say about that Just say you won't do it in the future? Clearly you pissed off basically everyone in this game who wasn't mafia aligned. It doesn't help town, it makes the games less fun, and it's just an obnoxious thing to do in general. If you don't want to commit to that, so be it. But don't be pissed when I inevitably day 1 lynch you next game. Because that's pretty much where I'm at if you're gonna pull this shit every game.

I obviously don't pull this shit every game since this was the first time I did it

spindoctor02 @ 6/6/2017 22:09

If you believe DS, then him hitting "scum" was pure blind luck that I posted when I did. Hey DS, get your buddy Cat to run those numbers and tell you what percent of the time that play gets town lynched there. Hint: it's really high.

Read what I said, You had a bad reaction. That's why I pushed it

Shittier Ahoda @ 7/6/2017 5:45

Knowing how spin plays that was the reaction you would have gottten from him regardless of alignment

I don't agree

vladykins @ 7/6/2017 5:54

I said this elsewhere but DS- you play that same shit as PGO and you are gonna get tons of important townies killed, not scum.

I said this elsewhere but this isn't like a normal strategy. It was a test to see how my early claim in the mafia championship would go down

spindoctor02 @ 7/6/2017 6:05

Darren Sanders @ 7/6/2017 8:59 Shittier Ahoda @ 7/6/2017 5:45 Knowing how spin plays that was the reaction you would have gottten from him regardless of alignment I don't agree vladykins @ 7/6/2017 5:54 I said this elsewhere but DS- you play that same shit as PGO and you are gonna get tons of important townies killed, not scum. I said this elsewhere but this isn't like a normal strategy. It was a test to see how my early claim in the mafia championship would go down Now I know you are just trolling everyone, because how on earth is faking a day cop claim in any way relevant practice for a game with no power roles?

I claimed mafia goon day 1 to gauge reactions