https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/is-a-thumb-a-finger

Granted, a "fingerless" glove also doesn't have covering for the thumb, so shouldn't it be a "digitless" glove then?

So I showered on this and have come to the conclusion that the thumb is a finger. Given the "how many fingers am I holding up?" question, along with "five finger discount" and the band Five Finger Death Punch, it being five fingers on one hand appears to be the correct answer.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 6/1/2018 17:19

This is me directly challenging the how many fingers am I holding up fallacy

And five finger discount? Or do you steal things with four fingers of one hand and one extra from the other for no reason at all?

This also makes a five finger death punch more difficult.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 6/1/2018 19:36

vladykins @ 6/1/2018 14:43 GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 6/1/2018 17:19 This is me directly challenging the how many fingers am I holding up fallacy And five finger discount? Or do you steal things with four fingers of one hand and one extra from the other for no reason at all? This also makes a five finger death punch more difficult. How often do you steal things utilizing only one hand? That sounds difficult! Also, A Five Finger Death punch should be difficult! Maybe they’ve all been doing it wrong

Ummm, you need two hands to steal a candy bar? That sounds waaaaaay difficult. This needs to go in the "doing things with two hands" thread now.

In fact, unless the object is large (not the type of thing you five finger discount from a store), you would never need two hands.

Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36

Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts

Do you give someone a high five or a high four and some thumb?

Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36

Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts

Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe.

Also, Princess Bride refers too this character as:



The Six-Fingered Man.



To argue with the Princess Bride is to lose.

Primate @ 7/1/2018 11:38

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 9:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. Five of what is never determined. "Nobody says give me five fingers" There are huge structural/design differences between a finger and a thumb. All the angles and mechanics are also different. That's not the case with the big toe. That is to say, any toe could function similarly to a big toe. None of the 4 fingers can be a thumb. Big toe is like a tractor with no pto while all the other tractors have a pto. The thumb is like a skid steer while all the fingers are tractors. An arm and a leg are similar limbs, but they aren't interchangeable due to design differences. A finger and a thumb share the same relationship.

So when a monkey like a chimp has an opposable toe, then it suddenly shouldn't be called a toe anymore?

Our big toe is different structure than the rest of the toes, it just isn't opposable. But it is still a "toe". The chimp toe is similar toe our thumb, yet it is still called a toe. So pretending the thumb is "special" or "different" is silly.

And you still can't argue with Princess Bride.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:22

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 7:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. The big toe is still a toe, no one is arguing that it's a foot thumb Vlady!

Not on a chimp, according to your reasoning.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:21

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 6:58 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Do you give someone a high five or a high four and some thumb? High five doesn't stand for high five fingers, it stands for the number of digits!

Nobody high fives with their feet and calls it that. Yet those are digits.

Primate @ 7/1/2018 16:41

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 14:52 Primate @ 7/1/2018 11:38 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 9:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. Five of what is never determined. "Nobody says give me five fingers" There are huge structural/design differences between a finger and a thumb. All the angles and mechanics are also different. That's not the case with the big toe. That is to say, any toe could function similarly to a big toe. None of the 4 fingers can be a thumb. Big toe is like a tractor with no pto while all the other tractors have a pto. The thumb is like a skid steer while all the fingers are tractors. An arm and a leg are similar limbs, but they aren't interchangeable due to design differences. A finger and a thumb share the same relationship. So when a monkey like a chimp has an opposable toe, then it suddenly shouldn't be called a toe anymore? Our big toe is different structure than the rest of the toes, it just isn't opposable. But it is still a "toe". The chimp toe is similar toe our thumb, yet it is still called a toe. So pretending the thumb is "special" or "different" is silly. And you still can't argue with Princess Bride. Which chimp experts did you consult? Never mind. If you had, they would have told you that chimps have 4 prehensile feet or hands with opposable thumbs. <snip>

See, you got it partially right, because these same scientists with chimps say the "big toe" is smaller and not quite opposable, but then say:

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Gorillas also appear to have inherited our more primitive hand structure. Like human hands, gorilla hands have five fingers, including an opposable thumb. Gorilla feet are similar to ours too. Each gorilla foot has five toes, but their big toe is opposable and can move much more flexibly than ours can.

Damn those scientists.

https://www.seeker.com/human-hands-more-primitive-than-chimp-hands-1770019802.html

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 17:11

THEY DONT SAY 1,2,3,4 I DECLARE A FINGER WAR!

You need a lesson in Venn diagrams. Next you are going to tell me a square can't be a rectangle because it is a square.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 8/1/2018 0:04

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 18:19 GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 17:11 THEY DONT SAY 1,2,3,4 I DECLARE A FINGER WAR! You need a lesson in Venn diagrams. Next you are going to tell me a square can't be a rectangle because it is a square. You mean just as a thumb and finger can both be a digit and yet still have separate distinctions?

And just like "giving you the finger" doesn't exclude the other fingers from being fingers.

In fact, I will blow your mind and tell you a square is also a rhombus. It's almost like when you classify things they can fall under different definitions.


Anyone want to tell me when they learned "eight-finger and two thumb" typing? Pretty sure I've only ever been taught ten-finger, but I'm guessing DS learned differently from me. I guess I need another person and their extra two fingers to type.

I made this helpful diagram to show that a thumb can be a thumb, a finger, and a digit amazingly all at the same time!, while also not being a toe or the 21st digit.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 17:15

Hey vlady, is this a finger up? 👍

Considering giving someone "a finger up" is to help them, I would say no. But neither would be flipping you off; it's not because a finger isn't involved, it's because it gives no help.