itsbrianyay @ 27/4/2016 22:22

#justchodthings

BWAHAHAHAHA!

itsbrianyay @ 27/4/2016 22:45

it's a funny joke after 3 rum and cokes

I thought it was funny and I'm only drinking coffee.

Lamps @ 28/4/2016 0:45

I feel like we've been here before. Pretty sure I was attacked by scum, so how exactly does that make me scum? JC looks like a vig target to me as for a vig it's hard to choose a target N1 and this is better for everyone. At least I would have killed him instantly if I had the chance. That would leave me as the mafia target. There's a lack of proper leads, and I got tons of votes already, so, ok.

So you are saying that there is a vig and mafia in order to try to argue that you aren't mafia?

Not buying this argument- usually more likely that there would be mafia and SK and, if there is vig, he would hold onto his kill (unless he was a compulsive vig- GHBers will get the joke there).

Sorry, but this doesn't look good for you.

##lynch Lamps

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 5:46

I don't see how Lamps is scum. There is no way SK or mafia attacked JC. That is a clearly an Vig attack. Unless a town bus driver swapped mafia Don with kill target. I think Lamps is town at this point.

Sorry- I don't buy the vig attack angle at all and you defending Lamps means that if Lamps flips GF, you are definitely tied.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 7:21

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 8:04 ahoda @ 28/4/2016 5:46 I don't see how Lamps is scum. There is no way SK or mafia attacked JC. That is a clearly an Vig attack. Unless a town bus driver swapped mafia Don with kill target. I think Lamps is town at this point. Sorry- I don't buy the vig attack angle at all and you defending Lamps means that if Lamps flips GF, you are definitely tied. Don't give a shit. ##lynch Vlady You're aren't thinking and analyzing like you normally do. Playing aggressive isn't your style. You are scum pushing an agenda.

LOL- you think that it is more likely that there is a vig who killed on N1 and no SK than there is an SK and a vig who killed a townie N1? A vig with no information other than spin was unhappy with his role and decided to remove a townie? Are you really trying to stretch your argument that far?

I would sooner buy that Lamps is BP SK that killed JC last night than that JC was killed by a vig. But the fact that you immediately discount the possibility of Lamps being attacked by anything other than mafia leads me to believe he is mafia and you and him are on the same team.

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 8:40

I don't understand why a Vig couldn't have killed JC. Usually someone with that role can't resist killing someone. On the first few nights, in the absence of a solid scum read, they'll kill an inactive. But how about a player actively complaining about their role? Being distracting? And even self-voting at one point? I can see a Vig killing him. FOS on those that are discounting that.

So you are saying that this game has a mafia who targeted Lamps and a vig that targeted JC and that we either have no SK or an SK who didn't bother to turn in a night action?

I'm sorry, but that set up just sounds off to me. The fact that everyone is assuming vig, with *NO FLAVOR* at all to back that up seems silly and a way to give Lamps an out.

I'm not sure where Curtis is suddenly saying people are framing him either, because outside of one post that I thought was a joke, nobody has even mentioned him. That strikes me as weirdly defensive.

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11

Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1

Yes, but what Lamps came in with was "Well, clearly JC was a vig kill" as if presupposing that he was attacked by mafia. Then people started lining up to agree. And if you question that, it is scummy?

While there are a number of possibilities for Lamps surviving, the fact that there are so many people who have a firm understanding of what happened last night when there is zero evidence is what seems scummy as hell to me. The only saving grace I see if that I would expect people to be distancing themselves a lot more if they were on the scum team with Lamps, because outside of the GLB game ahoda and company outed their whole mafia team D1 I have never seen ahoda be so obvious.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:24

Vlady never speaks in absolutes like this. Hi scum. You make this easy.

I do. You forget all of ATTWS where Harvey pushed every person who popped up surviving an attack and, outside of Dolly, lynched the mafia godfather and two SKs. 3/4 BGs in one game for pushing like that is a nice success rate in my book, cumquat. :P

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:32

Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps.

Mr. Logic- why are you so certain? What information do you have that I don't? It sure isn't based on kill flavor, because we have *none* to rely on. So unless you have outside info you haven't share but that multiple other people appear to have, the obvious direction this day is to push Lamps for more info. You do that by lynching him, not giving him a free pass.

Redster is a big proponent of the "push for info by lynching" but he is also inconsistent this game.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:36

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:31 Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11 Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1 Yes, but what Lamps came in with was "Well, clearly JC was a vig kill" as if presupposing that he was attacked by mafia. Then people started lining up to agree. And if you question that, it is scummy? While there are a number of possibilities for Lamps surviving, the fact that there are so many people who have a firm understanding of what happened last night when there is zero evidence is what seems scummy as hell to me. The only saving grace I see if that I would expect people to be distancing themselves a lot more if they were on the scum team with Lamps, because outside of the GLB game ahoda and company outed their whole mafia team D1 I have never seen ahoda be so obvious. Again, you know Lamps is scum and that makes me his partner. lol You're not being objective or even thinking there could be other options here. I'm not scum nor do I know if Lamps is scum. To me, the kills don't line up with scum attacks. At this point in time I feel Lamps is town. Don't care if that makes me look scummy. It's my current state of mind. You on the other hand are so dead set on Lamps being bad and anyone thinking otherwise is his "scum partner". Stop it.

I didn't say I KNOW Lamps is scum. But I know that him saying nothing about why he survived and him throwing out in his post that JC was killed by vig (and so clearly Lamps had to be the mafia target) sounds to me like a caught GF trying to find a way to spin his survival and that it bears further pressure to get that info. The fact that you go along with this instead of questioning it *at all* is what has we associating you with him.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:39

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:37 ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:32 Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps. Mr. Logic- why are you so certain? What information do you have that I don't? It sure isn't based on kill flavor, because we have *none* to rely on. So unless you have outside info you haven't share but that multiple other people appear to have, the obvious direction this day is to push Lamps for more info. You do that by lynching him, not giving him a free pass. Redster is a big proponent of the "push for info by lynching" but he is also inconsistent this game. Go push him. That doesn't make me his scum buddy like you keep saying. Him surviving an attack doesn't automatically make him scum. I don't have any info but what i stated are possibilities that you are ignoring. And color me shocked you are playing flavor.

You automatically buying the vig thing is what links you. As I said earlier, I don't usually see you play this so obviously, which is my only hesitation.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:45

Obvious? Obvious what? Town? Sure I am town. I'm not buying his claim, I'm buying my own personal thoughts. No way in hell would I allow my scum team to kill JC. Nor would I kill JC if I was SK. Don't be stupid. That's like killing Jay N1. It accomplishes nothing. You target someone who might be a threat, ala Lamps.

WIFOM. "It can't be my scum team, because my scum team would never do that".

Really- that is going to be your argument?

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:44

You are pushing like his is 100% scum Vlady. Don't act like you're not. I do question his claim but I tend to fall on the town side right now like I have said from the get go. Pressure him all you want. Lamps will be back and I'm sure he will respond to all the doubters. I'm waiting to hear it. For now I think you are pushing a scum agenda right now so you get my vote.

Of course I think he is scum, like Vinicio, Harry, and Ida were. In my mind, unless he has a pretty damn good defense, I'll be happy to watch him go down. I could be wrong like I was with Dolly, but I don't think I am.

What I find interesting is the people like yourself who are giving him a free pass without any question at all, who just go "Yeah, clearly the JC thing was vig." One person saying that I might buy (especially if that person was the vig softclaiming). But multiple people just buying into that doesn't seem suspicious to you at all, especially given how, as Ti9mmah already pointed out, the attack survivors in these games have almost always been BGs? That's why, in my mind, suddenly flipping seems more suspicious, except for the fact that it is so obvious that I don't want to believe it.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:52

Can't reason with you Vlady. You are too dead set on your path of town destruction. You are the early favorite for the honorary Chris HOL Award.

OK, I'll humor you. Vig killed JC. Mafia then clearly attacked Lamps, so he's not mafia. Nobody has reported a RB at all, so no SK floating around then.

We have exactly what to vote on? I'm happy to go back to Curtis and his overreacting on what I considered a joke post. We can just let Lamps be free to live on without question.

Tell me, who should I vote for, since Lamps is clean in your mind?

It's been open for 14 hours in a 24 hour day phase.; it's not exactly rushing. :P