Hermsworth @ 11/4/2016 19:59

Lamps actually being scum was a bit of a surprise. How come both Vlad and Ari survived? Also, I'm still just as undecided between Curtis/Boc. Curtis did actually help get Lamps lynched though so we know he, and everyone else on Lamps train are not part of the Enviromentalists. Probably Wikey. Not sure who else.

Not sure about Ari, but I had the BP vest from Jay.

I'm guessing that Ari may be the Don of the second mafia right off the bat, but just started reading the day.

Christian @ 11/4/2016 20:45

I think we can rule out Timmah from being Red Mafia, really anybody on Lamps' train yesterday.

Not necessarily. They may have thought that Lamps would be a goner for sure and tried to get town cred.

Timmah @ 11/4/2016 20:56

Vlady survived, but Jay gave him a vest. Or did he? Jay's batting about .105 on truth telling so far. But Ari survived as well. So, maybe Jay told us 2 true things and Ari is second GF.

I confirmed Jay's giving of the vest, so he told the truth. Either that or Jay got me in the cult. Which he didn't.

Christian @ 12/4/2016 7:48

vladykins @ 12/4/2016 7:47 Christian @ 11/4/2016 20:45 I think we can rule out Timmah from being Red Mafia, really anybody on Lamps' train yesterday. Not necessarily. They may have thought that Lamps would be a goner for sure and tried to get town cred. Even when it was looking like it was going to be Curtis yesterday?

True. I'm just putting that out there as a possibility.

OK, made it up to current.

I'm not sure why mafia was dumb enough to attack me, since it was admitted that I had a BP vest from Jay. I wanted to keep it secret when Jay gave it in order to potentially draw off a kill, but the Mal asking for a vest thing brought it into the open. After that, *still* one of the mafias tried to kill me.

We know that Environment Mafia Don is dead. Ari must be Raider Don then. I don't buy the town BP. The environment Mafia probably attacked Ari and Raiders went after me.

I also think Boc's vanilla claim is interesting, given the other two Masons had roles. Possible, but interesting.

Wikey @ 12/4/2016 6:23

Day 4 Notes + Curtis: To his credit, he planted the first clue about his supposed Herm it role before Canuck posted his list. The “Herm,it is” one. - Both Curtis and Boc talked about how they thought Malion was almost certainly scum until he died. - Boc cottoned on to Redster as scum pretty early, thought his reaction to the posting of Canuck’s list was suspicious. But he also said he was leaning towards lynching Curtis the most. - Jay claimed that Brian tried to recruit Herm - Lamps said Red stood out the most to him on Canuck’s list, followed by Angi - Ari said he would rather lynch Mafia than Cult, and lynched Herm, following Jay’s reveal. Also asked Herm for his suspects from Canuck’s list. - Jamie agreed with the notion of lynching Herm, thanked Jay for the info - Herm’s scummiest to least scummiest: Redster Curtis Eben Angi Christian Boc - Herm lynched Redster - Herm discredited Jay saying he was clearly lying about Brian trying to recruit him. - Jay said Herm was the target N2 and N3 - Curtis lynched Herm - Redster lynched Herm - Sabataged lynched Jay - Timmah said he had a read on Redster as scum for days. Had a town read on Christian, no read on Eben or Angi, and thought Curtis could be Mafia. - Chris lynched Christian - Vlad thought Redster’s reaction to the list could look a bit scummy, but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt - Lamps said he thought Herm made a good point by saying we shouldn’t trust the word of Jay since he is scum, but he tried to discredit the list by saying there was a 2 in 5 chance of lynching wrong, and furthermore he asked Herm to provide scenarios to explain why he isn’t scum, and asked if he would consider claiming. - Redster made several posts deriding Herm, making out it was clear he was scum. - Herm said he had a role which he couldn’t really prove so it wouldn’t help to claim. - Jay revealed he actually recruited Lamps. He also said he thought Vlady and Redster looked scummy. - Dr said that the way Herm phrased a post saying a lynch on him would be a lynch on town was odd, and asked if he was going to claim. - Timmah said “What the fuck Jay?” as a reaction to his switcheroo - Curtis lynched Lamps - Sabataged also reacted negatively to Jay’s post, but also lynched Lamps - Jay defended the move by saying he probably gave the town a ton of info with the move. - Christian said that he was finding Redster more and more scummy, and then said he wondered if Jay could be taken at his word after lying. - Herm lynched Lamps - Jamie complained to Jay that he had made things very confusing by lying, said he would rather play devil’s advocate and get Lamps’ reads on people, particularly those on the list. Vlady – Reacted kinda negatively to Jay’s switcheroo. - Lamps said he wasn’t scum, said he had a town read on Christian, that Boc was most likely town, said Redster and Eben were probably scum, and that Curtis or Angi were probably one of the others. But said he could easily see Redster being scum. - Timmah said he found it hard to go along with what Jay was claiming after lying once already. - Lamps lynched Redster - I lynched Lamps, saying it was better to clear things up with that straight away as it could implicate several other players. - Vlady decided he was going to believe Jay on Lamps for the time being, saying that the obvious claim for Lamps would have been PGO. - I said I thought it was interesting Boc showed up on the list, and once again reiterated my suspicions on Boc. - Vote count at this point indicates that the first lynch on Redster was Lamps. Lamps himself was in the lead with the following votes: Lamps (5/13) – Curtis, Sab, Jay, Herm, Wikey - Quoting a post I made saying the reactions to Herm would be telling depending on what Lamps flips, Lamps replied that if anything his reaction was telling because he had info which suggested Herm was town. This was the precursor to his Vanilla Cop claim. - Redster said that for what It’s worth he still found Herm scummy regardless of whether you believe Jay’s intel. He also said to Lamps “just fucking claim you’re going to get lynched anyway.” - Christian replied to my post about Boc that my message to the masons may have pushed Boc in the direction of believing Zook to be scum. - I said that the problem with not lynching either Herm or Lamps was that we would be discussing them for days if not. I said we should lynch one of them, or barring that, choose someone from the list. - I asked for anyone to point out a game with three masons which hasn’t had one of them being scum. Angi replied saying she did recall such games. - Vlady said he was willing to give Jay the benefit of the doubt and follow his lead on Lamps, but also said he found half of the players on the list scummy too. - Eben became the second person on the Redster lynch. - Redster reacted by saying Eben was clearly one of the scum - Vernon became the third vote on Redster - Lamps claimed he scanned the following: Curtis – Non Vanilla, Curtis > Jay – Non Vanilla, Herm – Vanilla - Christian questioned Herm about this, asking if he was a vanilla cop. Lamps replied “Yes, sort of.” - Herm unlynched Lamps - Timmah said there were two possibilities: Jay was lying, or Lamps was lying. Well observed my friend! - Jay said if Lamps lived he would give him a BP vest. - Christian didn’t like the idea of taking Jay’s word for it that Herm was scum, wanted to go by the list, and listed who was voting whom off the list at that moment. He said that he found Curtis, Angi and Red most suspicious because they were the ones actively avoiding the list and seemingly not willing to narrow it down. - Herm said he was starting to think the three could be Curtis, Angi and Red, agreeing with Christian’s previous post. - Herm said Rose was acting very weird for town. - Herm said he wasn’t sure Lamps was town with the claim. He said it depended on whether Curtis was town or scum and could confirm Lamps results. He also said more results from Lamps would be helpful. - Lamps said he only considered the list to be between 5 people because he couldn’t see Boc as scum. - Christian asserted once again that he would rather lynch via the list than follow Jay’s lead due to him being scum. - Jay lynched Angi - Vlady – Lynched Jay then moments later unlynched (: - Curtis confirmed that he wasn’t vanilla so Lamps was right about that at least. - Curtis lynched Redster, the fourth player to do so. Said he believed Lamps. - Timmah once again called Jay into question, said he was flailing about and thought it suggested he was protecting another cult member. - I believed Lamps claim initially, but asked if Herm had already claimed Vanilla before his claim, and said it would be worth noting if he had. I then lynched…Jay for some reason. I said it would be better not to keep him around since we was dealing with the devil (: - I then once again reiterated that I didn’t think it was a good idea to give Boc a free pass. - Timmah said he hated Jay. Said his head told him to lynch Lamps, but his gut said Jay was fucking with us. He went back to his initial Redster suspicions and lynched him. - Jamie said he wanted Jay lynched but could see it wasn’t going to happen. Said “my scum reads are Christian, Curtis, & Redster. Possibly Eben and Angi but not as much the other three” - Jamie lynched Redster - Sabataged unlynched Lamps - I said I wasn’t entirely sure why Redster was being lynched. I ASKED IF HE WAS ON CANUCK’S LIST AND SAID I HAD SKIMMED A LOT SO I WOULD HAVE MAYBE MISSED ANYTHING OVERTLY SCUMMY THAT HE DID. - Thisisbad lynched Redster, and said next on his list would be Curtis, Herm or Boc

One correction- I voted Lamps, then Jay unvoted and that's when I unvoted in frustration, not voted Jay. I was logging off to go to soccer practice at the time. :)

Christian @ 12/4/2016 8:18

vladykins @ 12/4/2016 8:03 I also think Boc's vanilla claim is interesting, given the other two Masons had roles. Possible, but interesting. so who should I kill today, and why shouldn't it be you? Isn't it possible that you were recruited to Cult on Night 1? It'd make sense why Jay would give you a vest of all people.

Considering I'm the only person who has even brought up the possibility of a back up cult recruiter and been consistently on the cult's back trying to out them where possible, I'd be a pretty bad cultie.

Wikey @ 12/4/2016 11:15

Anyway, I think Ari could quite easily be the Raider Godfather still. Curtis knew there was a good chance of him getting exposed soon so him and Ari doing some distancing from each other would make sense.

Agreed. Lynch Curtis today and Ari tomorrow.

I'll likely be dead tonight.

Ari @ 12/4/2016 11:35

vladykins @ 12/4/2016 18:26 Wikey @ 12/4/2016 11:15 Anyway, I think Ari could quite easily be the Raider Godfather still. Curtis knew there was a good chance of him getting exposed soon so him and Ari doing some distancing from each other would make sense. Agreed. Lynch Curtis today and Ari tomorrow. I'll likely be dead tonight. No, we should lynch you tomorrow. Just went over your record over the past couple of days: Day 4: Lynches Lamps with Curtis Day 5: Lynches DR after everything is revealed Day 6: Lynches Eben with Curtis Day 7: Lynches Lamps with Curtis Day 8: Been calling me Don all day. Casting suspicion on Boc. Still hasnt even voted for Curtis! Vlady is with Curtis. He has been helping him every step of the way.

I'm more than happy to vote Curtis. I just didn't want to rush everything when there is still scum to hunt.

Thing is- you are GF with Curtis and you are trying to distance yourself. You've been caught out, so you might as well admit it. You are unhappy that your mafia is collapsing. I would be too if I was in your shoes. But I'm not. After you and Curtis, the rest of the Raiders will get hunted down.

And I thought I had already done this before my conference call, but thanks for reminding me.

##lynch Curtis

Ari @ 12/4/2016 12:14

haha, its so obvious you are with Curtis. Panicking already! Im fairly certain Patrick is on your team as well, but I am less certain of that. Is that all of you? or did I forget someone?

Not panicked at all, but you are. My BP is clearly in the forum and unless I'm cult and with Jay, there would be no reason for Jay and I to both lie.

You, OTOH, have a crappy claim. Just like Harvey nailed a few folks down in ATTWS because they were mysteriously BP and ended up being killers, so again have you been caught out, cumquat.

Jayadamo @ 12/4/2016 13:00

am I still alive?

LOLyes.

Jayadamo @ 12/4/2016 13:11

I see Lamps was finally lynched. Now we should make it a 2fer and lynch Christian.

LOL- I think you do need to read at least today. :rofl:

Hermsworth @ 12/4/2016 13:38

## unlynch ## lynch Jay Just to spread the love.

Hermsworth @ 12/4/2016 14:02

A few of the players lynching Lamps over Curtis yesterday, are most likely Raiders. Timmah TIB Vladykins etc Not Christian though. Boc made a good post about possible suspects.

I noted already that some of the folks on the Lamps lynch were likely mafia. Christian thought I was being weird.