OK- I don't get a chance to read all weekend and we have a ton of bizarre activity. Here is what my compys regression analysis notes:


1) Boc and Zook were mason pals, but Boc hung out Zook and got him lynched.

2) Jay is outed as cult and probably has at least one and maybe two or three more culties. (Assuming cult leader Brian and backup recruiter). Jay has stated he started out cult and that he has been recruited, which both can't be true. He also stated Herm was target N2 and N3, which again, can't both be true (especially if I read correctly and Rose followed Brian to Jay N2?).

3) Herm must be a BG if he killed Brian during the recruit, if Brian was bulletproof. Need to recheck the writeup and confirm this. If so, then Herm has to be a BG, since someone couldn't nail Herm. Since Herm didn't claim PGO, then the death had to be on a failed lynch. If Herm had come right out with PGO claim, then I might have believed that, since I was feeling town inclination on Herm.

4) Canuck's role seems pretty powerful if allowed for multiple use as he says. I don't see any reason to not believe it, since it is a pretty off the wall claim if untrue. My only question for my friend in the annexed States of Canada is: does your description say scum or mafia? If only mafia, we might be able to make a big dent in them.

5) Red's reaction to the Canuck role does seem a bit scummy. OTOH, it does seem pretty powerful for multiple uses, so it may have just been Red's reaction to that, but he bears further investigation.

Also, it is interesting the number of folks who jumped quickly on a Herm vote. While Jay has likely given us scum, I'm not sure pushing that lynch immediately will give us the most info today (and some of the same people helped propel the Zook lynch yesterday).

Jayadamo @ 4/4/2016 10:08

Uhm vlady, have u been drinking? I never said I started as cult. I was town. N2 I used my action where all actions come to me. I ended up cult. Herm was the target N2 but was redirected to me. Herm was then again the target N3 when Brian died.

Check post 50 where you state you weren't recruited. You then backtrack this a couple posts later. Needless to say, you've been sowing confusion more than anything.

Hermsworth @ 4/4/2016 10:28

Redster @ 4/4/2016 16:27 Hermsworth @ 4/4/2016 8:11 If Brian tries to recruit scum, he dies. It really doesn't mean I went anywhere. Jay said Brian visited me, so people think I'm scum. who said you went anywhere? You keep digging your hole bigger. Vlad did, I just corrected him.

I just looked back to confirm that I never said that. I said if you'd claimed PGO, I probably would have believed it.

Jayadamo @ 4/4/2016 10:35

Herm you are a good guy and you can date my sister. OK, this will probably be my last post of the game. I don't care if you lynch me, lynch Herm, or lynch a Mod. This is 100% a fact so believe it or don't believe it, I don't care since I am not sided with any of you anymore. I started as a town crafting station. I had 4 actions I could use. 1. Give a gun- i gave it to Primate because Primate loves to kill in these games. Primate is my buddy and I wanted to make his day. I did however feel guilty about the way he killed Buffy. I can't say for a fact he did it to be a dick but that was my initial thought. 2. Have all actions come to me- I did this night 2 because I was interested in what all would happen. If i had any clue I would become cult I wouldn't have used it. I have been a bad guy in what seems like 99 out of 100 games. I was happy to be town. I could give a BP vest and roleblock someone were the other two actions. When Brian died I was going to fight that I was not cult until I got brushed to the side. I was being called "small potatoes" and was told that I could just sit in a corner because I wasn't a threat. I thought it was Herm that called me small potatoes which really ticked me off. Looking back it turns out it was Mal. Nothing as demeaning as being a bad guy that is being treated like a helpless mouse. For revenge I was going to get Herm lynched but Curtis posted something not long ago that made me feel guilty. FU Curtis! :hug: What i am trying to say is since I can't win I can either help scum or help Town. I am not positive but I believe Herm is town. The cult can't win so I want to try to make up for the 4 deaths I caused as a town member. Brian did not recruit Herm, he recruited Lamps. He recruited him N2 when I got recruited and recruited him N3 when he died. So there it is. Believe it or don't I really don't care. Eventually this will show as the truth. Take what people did and said into consideration. Vlady and Redster look scummy as all get out to me. GL Town

Ok, so now Herm is OK and Lamps is bad? Why not just say Lamps and Herm both if you were trying to take down Herm? Also, I'm not sure what I've said that is scummy, since I've done my usual weekend inactivity run down.

I'm believing Jay on Lamps currently. Again, the obvious claim would have been PGO but instead Lamps is pushing on the "must have died another way.

I'm holding until closer to quitting time, but Lamps is my vote today.

Lamps @ 4/4/2016 12:11

BP survives a PGO attack so idk what you're talking about Vlady.

depends on the mod specifically, but if you want to run with that, BP survives everything but a lynch and a visit to scum, and brian wasn't lynched. So you've basically admitted you are scum.

Wikey @ 4/4/2016 12:13

Also, Town Sensor....lol I hate that role, feeling bad for you scum if three of you are indeed on that list! I'm having Doctor Who flashbacks... Anyway, I'm not who those three might be right now, but one thing I would say is that it's interesting to see Boc turn up on the list. I don't know why people are giving him a free pass after Zook flipped, what the hell people? He acted completely irrationally exposing the backup vig like that and effectively destroying the masons. Curtis said yesterday that Boc probably wouldn't be scum and that it was more likely he had a side win condition. The idea was that Scum Boc would probably opt to try and steer Zook to misfire with his vig kills, rather than immediately try to get him killed. But this is making the assumption that scum Boc would know the identity of his fellow scum. He could just as easily be a mason traitor who has no knowledge of who his team are. In that situation, exposing and trying to get the backup vig lynched might make sense. We should keep this in mind, Boc is in no way cleared in my mind.

This is why I asked Canuck if it showed mafia or scum, because I don't think Ahoda would make Boc a mason/mafia spy. Granted, he did something similar in a game a while ago, but that was a recruitment and supposedly masons can't recruit.

Lamps @ 4/4/2016 12:17

vladykins @ 4/4/2016 18:15 Lamps @ 4/4/2016 12:11 BP survives a PGO attack so idk what you're talking about Vlady. depends on the mod specifically, but if you want to run with that, BP survives everything but a lynch and a visit to scum, and brian wasn't lynched. So you've basically admitted you are scum. My options for what could have possibly happened still stand, so no.

You said you can explain by claiming. You have about three hours before I head off to coach soccer.

Redster @ 4/4/2016 12:24

This game has gone full retard.

If this was a longer rant, it would be the Red I know and love.

So the question is to vote for the scum likely handed to us by Jay, or the potential scum handed to us by Canuck. We have a 50% chance of hitting scum with Canuck's route, so any additional info would help there. With Jay, he says it is 100% chance and I'm willing to give his earlier mixed day the benefit of the doubt and go Lamps, despite his softclaim.

The sad thing is more than three people on Canuck's list seem scummy to me, so I don't even know where to start. :peroy:

Jayadamo @ 4/4/2016 15:09

Hermsworth @ 4/4/2016 20:06 We don't really have a Vig anymore so if he's really scum then we would have to lynch him anyway. Why you gotta go and make my threat useless?

Jayadamo @ 4/4/2016 15:04

If Lamps lives I am giving him a BP vest.

Didn't you already give it to yourself?

Didn't you survive a kill attempt or am I remembering wrong?

Now you made me look it up- you survived a kill attack D3.

What's up with that if you didn't give yourself a BP vest?

Christian @ 4/4/2016 15:14

vladykins @ 4/4/2016 15:13 Didn't you survive a kill attempt or am I remembering wrong? Night 2 when he drew the Doctor's save amongst everything else towards him.

Awwww- thanks!