Now that we know cult exists, it's worth mentioning that it has likely grown over night.

Thisisbourbon @ 16/7/2023 19:11

Kills that don’t kill also aren’t announced, right?

The rules thread says:

TheNavneet

13. Survivals will NOT be announced.

rager Ꞧ¿Ø»Ȿ„Ǝ—drrr @ 16/7/2023 20:35

The same person visited me on night 1 and night 3, or at least the same role was used on me. Someone tried to smoke with me to delay my actions until the following night.

Stargate @ 16/7/2023 20:35

I have a little more information about me being roleblocked. It made it so whatever I can do happened last night and I couldn't put in for visiting someone else. Just took what I put in for on n2 and had it happen n3.

Normally, I'd be slightly skeptical of somebody chiming in with a, "the same thing happened to me", but these posts happened in the same minute. Quite possibly y'all were typing at the same time. It's basically independent confirmation.

Stargate @ 16/7/2023 21:35

I said this happened to me in my second post yesterday, Jed. Cigarette emoji and all. I only realized I couldn't change my action/it was pushed to the next night when I put in last night with Nav.

I had forgotten you had mentioned being blocked last night, but you and Rose revealing the same vote-delay mechanic at the same time was the more striking detail. I was initially thinking that it meant you were on the same team, because you were targeted by the same person, but I realize that's not necessarily the case.

Reading through day 3. Some notes and thoughts

1. Rod really pushing on killing Kat. Pretty much rules them out as cult recruiter I think, but could easily have been targeted just because other people had raised suspicions on them before
2. A few people really push back on Rod and pick apart his logic. Brian, Farlig, Jamie, Stargate is who I noted. Im317 expressed some support but, not as engaged
3. Lamps said they were sus on Im/Kat/Shadow/Brian, but unclear if they had any info.
4. I'm also noticing Farlig was the one that explicitly called out Lamps as town (day 2)
5. Steph/Curt both wanted to lynch Farlig round 2
6. Jamie was the only one to unlynch Reaper round 2

Unfortunately, hard to draw a lot of conclusions. The day 2 steph/lamps kevin argument seems pretty moot now that they are both confirmed town. Pretty much anybody non-cult would have been fine with Rodney dying.

Other things are fine. Interesting to see what confirmed towns chose to share / were thinking, but none of them were pushing super hard as far as I can tell

im317 @ 16/7/2023 22:35

Jed @ 16/7/2023 22:22 rager Ꞧ¿Ø»Ȿ„Ǝ—drrr @ 16/7/2023 20:35 The same person visited me on night 1 and night 3, or at least the same role was used on me. Someone tried to smoke with me to delay my actions until the following night. Stargate @ 16/7/2023 20:35 I have a little more information about me being roleblocked. It made it so whatever I can do happened last night and I couldn't put in for visiting someone else. Just took what I put in for on n2 and had it happen n3. Normally, I'd be slightly skeptical of somebody chiming in with a, "the same thing happened to me", but these posts happened in the same minute. Quite possibly y'all were typing at the same time. It's basically independent confirmation. hold everything. i just checked on the flavor for my role and i think something wacky is going on. i didnt think anything of it before since my action was unsuccessful night 1 and Curtis died night 2 but something odd is happening. the smoking is the flavor for my delayer role but neither Stargate or Rose were my targets. night 1 i tried to delay Farlig but my action was unsuccessful. figured maybe he had no active ability or something. night 2 i picked Curtis and when he up and died i figured it would be best to keep that to myself since someone might get the wrong idea. night 3 i was a bit paranoid about the cult and decided to try for someone i could see as the recruiter. so i picked Jeb. now confirmed town Rose is saying my ability and flavor targeted her nights 1 and 3 and Stargate is saying it targeted him night 2? this makes no sense at all. maybe there are 2 people with my exact role? kind of fits with the theme and the multiverse stuff. Jeb did you get delayed last night or is this even more complicated?

Jed, not Jeb

I'm Nexus, it was on last night. Don't know what happened with you nights 1 or 2 though. And because somebody will ask:

@Nav:
Can you confirm Nexus takes precedence over everything during turn resolution this game?

Thisisbourbon @ 17/7/2023 9:51

Welp today is boring. Two people visited badger prior to badger being put to rest. Those two people were Rodney and JJ. Rodney obviously didn’t kill badger so that leaves my friend who makes this even more enjoyable after all the name BS. Three people visited Curtis before he was offed. Now that two out of the three and volunteered that information and don’t seem scummy (ahoda and IM) that leaves my OMGUS voter shadow. Scum served to you on a silver platter.

Something strange is still going on with im317, it could be relevant. The fact that they tried to delay me but ended up somewhere else night 3 makes sense with Nexus. Kind of wild that they ended up on Rose again on Kevin night though.

Night 1, im317 tries to visit Farlig. Rose says they were visited, but only knows about it because their ability let them know the first action used on them. That is kind of weird. It sounds like Rose is saying they were able to use their role, to find out somebody tried to block them unsuccessfully. And not that their attempt to find out the first action used on them was delayed. I think that only makes sense if Rose's action is unaffected by im317's blocking power. In that case, it would make sense that im317 says they were unsuccessful.

Still, Farlig, do you know if you were visited/delayed night 1?

Night 2, he tried to visit Curtis, but Stargate is also saying they were visited by a smoker. I'd say it looks like im317 somehow ended up visiting Stargate instead. But, Farlig is saying that im317 did in fact visit Curtis. Unless Farlig's role is something that let's them see, "everybody that tried to visit" or something like that, it doesn't quite work out.

I was going to say, maybe it's possible Farlig was also directed elsewhere and was unknowingly looking at Stargate's visitors. But that doesn't make sense if Shadow doesn't have a visiting role. Also, if everybody was redirected away from Curtis night 2, then how would they have died?

Like, I think some sort of redirecting role could make sense here. There's enough here that I think those sorts of shenanigans make more sense than a second smoker role. Redirecting people onto the KEVIN holder, or away from a murder victim might make some sense for scum, but I feel like the threads I'm pulling on here don't yet make a cohesive sweater.

Also, took me a bit to write that up, so not factoring in the last several posts from people

Thisisbourbon @ 17/7/2023 11:05

Rechecks role PM. It says who targeted the player so I guess that leaves things about a bit.

Ok, at least those puzzle pieces fit. im317 could have targeted Curtis, but somehow ended up on Stargate.

im317 @ 17/7/2023 11:50

Jed @ 17/7/2023 12:08 Thisisbourbon @ 17/7/2023 11:05 Rechecks role PM. It says who targeted the player so I guess that leaves things about a bit. Ok, at least those puzzle pieces fit. im317 could have targeted Curtis, but somehow ended up on Stargate. this seems awfully convent. maybe to convent. mafia or cult trying to get a mislynch? *coming back to this would it be unsuccessful if my role got used on someone without an active ability? that would make me being unsuccessful if i got sent to Rose make sense. except i was not unsuccessful night 3, because Rose had a 2 shot ability?

I am trying to be mindful of all possibilities here. Seems like there's 2 major questions here:

1.) What happened with im317?

Maybe Rose can share some insight into any differences between night 1 and night 3.

2.) Is Farlig's information reliable?

I'm mindful that Farlig basically repeated known information and added some unverifiable information that implicates JJ & Shadow. But, if we lynch JJ or Shadow and they are town, isn't Farlig immediately a target? Why would he bother putting himself on the line there? Yes, he could be cult or mafia, but it makes much more sense for him to be a cult member targeting the mafia, or mafia targeting the cult, than either targeting town.

Of course, he could just be mistaken due to nighttime event shenanigans, which is part of why I think what happened with im317 is important to pin down. So far, it feels like we have a consistent, but incomplete story from the information offered.

People could also offer information to contradict the story I've pieced together so far. Does anybody else want to say they targeted Badger or Curtis? Or that they were also action-blocked by a smoker?

rager Ꞧ¿Ø»Ȿ„Ǝ—drrr @ 17/7/2023 14:46

alright the best i can explain what happened on my end is on the nights my role was active, n1 and n3, the first action used on me failed, and instead i knew exactly what the ability used on me was, full description, probably exactly as it would have appeared in their role pm. so the action on me is blocked, and i know what the action is.

Interesting. You say things were identical on your end for n1 and n3, but im317 is insistent that n1 failed and n3 succeeded. I guess he could have nexus'd somewhere else, but things aren't entirely adding up.

Screw it,

##KEVIN Jed

Thisisbourbon @ 17/7/2023 16:20

Jed @ 17/7/2023 16:17 Screw it, ##KEVIN Jed It took you that long (you’ve been showing as typing for quite a while) to post this? (:

I overthink things a lot :)

Anyways,
Nexus = I randomly redirect actions that target me.

I assume that I'm responsible for im317 ending on Rose.
Some sort of other wackiness is going on, with either there being another smoking role or im317 being constantly redirected. Can't tell which.

That is, responsible for the N3 visit. Given the other weirdness, maybe that's not the case, but it seems quite likely it was me

Also,

## H.O.M.E.R.
## J.A.R.V.I.S.

Worth a shot