Christian @ 14/7/2023 20:16

where's Jed? I need to meet Jed.

Christian @ 14/7/2023 20:38

Hello. How are you? Do you like games?

In all seriousness, somebody explain Masons to me and what would make somebody unrecruitable. I don't understand it at all. They don't even have an alternate win condition listed, so I don't understand why you would even bother recruiting someone. I'm clearly missing context.

Also, like, why is nobody pointing out that Curtis's role is just question marks? I assume that's just related to a power everybody else knows about?

Fill me in on the meta people!

Ok, so my "frustrated town" read on Steph was spot on. And Sami was trying to lead me astray </3

Anyways, I found the general insistence that Steph was suspicious yesterday weird. But here's how the voting went down

Rodney - Rodney
Rodney - Says Steph seems scummy
Rose - Steph
Kat - Steph
JJ - Shadow - opposed Steph
Jed - Steph
JJ - voices opposition to Steph
Steph - Steph
Lamps- voices opposition to Steph
Jed - reiterates missed votes for Steph
Curtis - Lamps
Brian - Lamps
Farlig - Lamps
Shadow - says torn between Steph/Lamps, goes with Steph
Ahoda - Lamps
Lamps - Lamps
Jamie - Lamps
Stargate - Jamie
Curtis - James
Sami - Jamie. Tries to unkevin for Lamps
Herm - Rose and Lamps ????? (no hashtags)
Herm - Stargate

I mean, it's really only as suspicious to the extent that Lamps may not be Town. They aren't high on my suspect list, but Steph is now 0% on the suspect list.

rager Ꞧ¿Ø»Ȿ„Ǝ—drrr @ 14/7/2023 20:46

Hello! JJ got it right. I was Steph's N1 recruit Last night she tried to recruit Rodney

How did she decide on Rodney over other options?

Reviewing the day 2 thread, and felt like I had to point out how funny I found this ending

Thisisbourbon

So many whoops I forgot <insert what they could have done>.

TheNavneet

Oh oops! Forgot to officially close this.

Rodney, I fully expect you to be dead at the end of this phase and we'll get confirmation on whether you're town or not. If you're actually town, you should be as explicit as possible with the information you have, with the potential exception of outing town members. With that being said:

If you are town you should consider that once you're dead:
1.) We've already killed Sami
2.) We'll have a confirmed 50/50 from you
3.) There'd be a presumably growing Mason group that can cross-check each other.

So, figure out a plan with the other Masons for what is the best plan of attack given that scenario, and what you can do in a dead-man-walking situation to help. For example, you can get information from the other Masons and dump it here, so they aren't outed but we'd still get confirmed solid info. Or a consensus list of safe/sus individuals. Basically, if you're town, we're about to find out, so focus on the information you can give everyone that would be the most helpful.

Rodney @ 14/7/2023 22:57

Jed @ 14/7/2023 23:49 Rodney, I fully expect you to be dead at the end of this phase and we'll get confirmation on whether you're town or not. If you're actually town, you should be as explicit as possible with the information you have, with the potential exception of outing town members. With that being said: If you are town you should consider that once you're dead: 1.) We've already killed Sami 2.) We'll have a confirmed 50/50 from you 3.) There'd be a presumably growing Mason group that can cross-check each other. So, figure out a plan with the other Masons for what is the best plan of attack given that scenario, and what you can do in a dead-man-walking situation to help. For example, you can get information from the other Masons and dump it here, so they aren't outed but we'd still get confirmed solid info. Or a consensus list of safe/sus individuals. Basically, if you're town, we're about to find out, so focus on the information you can give everyone that would be the most helpful. This is from the perspective of I should be lynched which is flawed. If Christian believes me then let mafia have to spend their kill on me instead of wasting towns. We'd sure be better off with a dead scum and effectively 2 confirmed town (me and shadow) than a dead town

Even if Christian spares you, why would scum bother killing the town member who looks the most like scum?

Also, frankly, lynching you either kills a scum, or gives us at least a 50-50 guarantee at killing a scum next round. Like, yeah, it's shitty if you're town, but you're the only kill that actually gives us solid information at this point.

You're the obvious choice for this round. And if you're actually town, I think you're getting frustrated at your shit luck and missing that it would be terrible gameplay to let you talk your way out of this without corroborating testimony. I know you're a good enough player to understand that. So, decide if somebody is going to vouch for you and if not, decide what you want to do prior to being lynched.

"I have a PR"

I have no idea what that means

Christian @ 14/7/2023 20:45

I lied. There are only 10 questions. If you wish to be considered for the position of KEVIN, please fill out the following survey. Any incorrect answers will immediately remove you from the running. Question #1: Are you scum? Question #2: Are you sure? Question #3: Coffee. Hot or cold? Question #4: If you could KEVIN anyone today, who would it be? Question #5: How much do you like me? Very much, or very, very much? Question #6: Who do you think killed Curtis? Question #7: Who should I kill and why? Question #8: On a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are you to seem me pop up here? Question #9: Is there anything I should know about where you were last night!?!? Question #10: Stan Lee, Bruce Lee or the General Lee?

1.) Nope
2.) Yes? Can you unknowingly be scum? Man that would suck. I mean, it can be a funny mechanic in One Night Ultimate Werewolf, but I don't think it makes sense here. I'm going with yes.
3.) No. I don't drink coffee
4.) Rose
5.)


6.) Don't know. All Curtis did was Kevin Lamps and try to lynch Farlig. Doesn't give a lot to go off of.

7.) Rodney. Any info he can provide is inherently sus right now. He's either scum or we get actionable intelligence by killing him

8.) See question 5

9.) Did you see my post about going to bar trivia? But in game, no there's nothing I wish to share

10.) We stan Stan? I actually don't know much about any of them, but who the hell would choose General Lee?

Rodney @ 15/7/2023 11:26

I can scan pairs for alignment

If this is your power, why do you only have one pair to offer after two nights?

* Rodney is unrecruitable, this is undisputed
* Rodney claims that Kat and Shadow are different alignments, a claim that is only verifiable by killing both of them
* Rodney claims arguing this would just be a huge distraction and wants to focus discussion on more productive topics. Says "I'm not here to outlast, so if I die, I die. It's whatever, it's only a matter of time at this point. My entire objective here is lead town in the best direction I can before it happens". Proceeds to fight tooth and nail to stay in the game, even though his continued presence would certainly lead to further debate on him
* Rodney proceeds to give vague and incomplete information which only makes him look more suspicious
* Rodney fails to acknowledge that the usefulness of the information he gives is fully dependent on our belief that he isn't scum, which can only be confirmed by his death.

If Rodney was recruited night 1, I'd think the best use of the scanner would be to scan his recruiter (who is known to be safe) and someone else. That way, he would have gotten hard confirmation on someone being scum or not.

If we kill Kat this round and she comes up town, what in the world are we supposed to do next round? Just argue about whether it's Shadow or Rodney? As I stated earlier, the best thing for a town Rodney to do is decide what information to share, do it, accept his death and know that the info will be 100% confirmed upon his death. If he's actually town, that's too bad, but this and debate around him was easily forseeable and will continue if he survives. Rodney's focus on his own survival over clarity for the town is not helping matters. If he is town, he's made some massive tactical blunders this round (frankly, I think he's a better player than that).

Also, Christopher, Rodney says he's offering you a 50-50, but that is of course only true if Rodney is town. Otherwise he's offering a 0-0.

Even if you think there's a 2/3 chance Rodney is town, then he's offering you a 1/3-1/3, while killing him also gives a 1/3. So anything less than 2/3 town odds for Rodney would suggest killing him. (Like, obviously if you think one of Kat/Shadow is more likely, so it's 60-40 or whatever, that changes it, but you get the general point).

Frankly, Rodney is making the argument he thinks is more likely to lead to his own victory. But for Rodney's continued presence to lead to a more likely town victory, he'd 1. Have to be town (obviously) and 2. People would have to unquestionably believe him (which would just be foolish). That suggests he wouldn't benefit from a town victory.

Scenarios:

Kill Rodney:
He's lying - Get confirmation and another scum out. Town likely wins
He's telling the truth - Get confirmation on the Kat/Shadow 50/50 and we have a group of town masons who can track down a 3rd scum. Town likely wins

Kill Kat:
Rodney's town -
- Kat is scum: 2 scum down, very solid Town lead. Rodney pretty well cleared (unless he's doing an insane gambit). Very likely town win.
- Kat is town: We have to choose between Shadow and Rodney and if it turns out Rodney is scum, town is potentially screwed unless other roles are able to come forward with info.

If Rodney's telling the truth, we're likely to win whether he dies or not. There's much higher downside risk to killing Kat. It's just not a symmetric situation.

@Christian

If you're tallying, I'm advocating for a Rodney kill.

Rodney @ 15/7/2023 14:58

This should be fun. Sorry for today @ all

You're fine Rodney. Regardless of what your role is, I think we all know that you're just playing hard.