Seriously Angi? Are you scum with Badger?

I used my role on Wikey, he didnt go for the kill last night.

Badger did you go for the kill?

##lynch Badger

This should have been done three days ago...

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 12:25

So you say you are the decoy, which means you can target someone and lure the kill to yourself apparently, and you claimed you wanted to keep Buffy alive the day she was lynched so you could lure her on the night... To what advantage exactly? Assuming you would die from this, we would gain nothing from you putting this plan in to action. We would simply have been delayed in lynching Buffy. Ari I dont want to roleclaim right now, but I will do it tomorrow. I want to do it tomorrow as I have a plan tonight that might fuck up some stuff for the mafia and I can find out what role Buffy has. Not scanning related though. I would prefer to try the plan out on Buffy, as it seems like she is the roleblocker, and not Badger as I suspect he might have a non-visiting mafia role or a limited-visit mafia role. I think it will work better that way. So that means I would prefer lynching Badger today, who is scum anyways, and I should be able to fuck shit up for the mafia and confirm Redster's suspicion about Buffy. This will also prove my role. Needless to say, if we go with my plan and I am killed tonight, you lynch Buffy. What is the point? You prove your role by dying? We would have gained nothing from this, in fact we would have lost someone who is usually a strong town player with good reads. You would be more use to us alive if you're town and you have this role. Here is what I think; I think you know Buffy was going to be lynched and that your suggestion to keep her alive to prove your role was going to fall on deaf ears. Which is why you didn't pursue it at all after that initial post. You just wanted to set something up for a convincing fake claim. Now you are going to claim each day to have tried and failed to 'lure' killers to you during the night and sneak your way through to the end. Huh, that sounds familiar...

The point was that since I hadnt claimed and that I dont have a shit role I can really prove, I knew I was going to be a lynch suspect very soon. The only reason I could think of to use this role was to try and draw the mafia kill / mafia actions to my to protect town powerroles.

I wanted to try and take the mafia hit to give Redster at least 1 more day to try and track the killer and Canuck another shot at protecting the right person to stop the kill. Id much rather take the mafia kill onto me than being lynched, I know that is a waste of time...

I used my last chance to decoy last night, so I am vanilla now and not of much use rolewise. I said I had limited actions, so not sure why you think my role is so useful? Or how I am going to claim luring people every night? Pretty shit role if you ask me, I got nothing out of it.

I figured if he is mafia as I suspect, he wouldnt perform the kill as they would expect me to lure him.

I could see your role as scum so I thought that maybe you were, at least we know you didnt kill anyone last night.

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 13:43

Ari @ 15/5/2016 6:37 I figured if he is mafia as I suspect, he wouldnt perform the kill as they would expect me to lure him. So...he was your top suspect but you didn't lure him in case he decided not to go out for the kill. Even though you could have lured him and guaranteed Redster would stay alive another day to get some crucial night results? Hmmmmmmm

Scum slip?

How do you know that me luring Badger would have guaranteed Redster staying alive?

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 13:41

Not sure I buy it. You gave no indication that you might target me yesterday, not even a hint, and Badger was the obvious option. So in the scenario you successfully lured the mafia kill and died, people would automatically assume you had died luring Badger, the obvious suspect, not me. How many shots did your role have and who else did you use it on? Sorry if I missed you posting this somewhere else already.

Why would I indicate who I would use the role on? That way the mafia can counter it and not have that person do the kill.

The mafia would EXPECT me to use it on Badger. They wouldnt have had him do the kill, as they wouldnt be able to push my lynch today over him if I was dead. Badger would be auto lynched.

I cant simultaneously give the town my target and not have the mafia counter it.

Angi, unlynch me.

I will explain why when you have.

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 14:14

Wait a sec Ari @ 15/5/2016 7:00 Wikey @ 15/5/2016 13:43 Ari @ 15/5/2016 6:37 I figured if he is mafia as I suspect, he wouldnt perform the kill as they would expect me to lure him. So...he was your top suspect but you didn't lure him in case he decided not to go out for the kill. Even though you could have lured him and guaranteed Redster would stay alive another day to get some crucial night results? Hmmmmmmm Scum slip? How do you know that me luring Badger would have guaranteed Redster staying alive? Um...by your own admission he was your top scum suspect then as he is now. And you claim your role is the decoy, which means you lure someone and essentially redirect them to you. That is what you claimed. And if I had your role, last night I would definitely have lured Badger, because if he was going to go out for the kill, I would want to guarantee they take out me rather than Redster, the obvious target. Instead you lured me, leaving the only person who could still realistically get lynched over you as a question mark.

That is assuming Badger went out for the kill, which isnt a guaranteed thing. I am sure there is more than 1 scum left.

The mafia are expecting me to use it on Badger, why have him do the kill? That doesnt make any sense. Mafia want me alive....

Okay. I am getting the suspicion that Wikey and Badger are the last scum. Why is Wikey suddenly coming to live now? Why is he pushing me, over Badger?

Wikey JUST SAID that if I had chosen Badger, I would have been guaranteed to save Redster. How the hell does he know that? He must have slipped and known they sent Badger out last night.

It takes 4 votes to lynch now. This suggests mafia have less than 4 votes, else they would probably have speed lynched someone and closed the day already.

Wikey and Badger have 3 votes between them. Meaning, if one of us votes wrong, they can speed lynch the target and end the day. Similarly how Vic and Herm speed lynched Angi a few games ago. Why end the day you say? Wouldnt that prove them to be scum?

Tomorrow, there are likely going to be 5 alive. Meaning 3 votes to lynch. Essentially meaning Badger and Wikey just have to beat the other three to win. Which isnt unlikely. They can win the game today.

So dont fucking vote me please, they can seriously end the game today and win.

##unlynch

Im taking my vote off Badger for now if by some incredible reason he isnt scum. Just in case.

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 14:34

I'm not sure why you think there is two scum left tbh!

We have 4 dead mafia. 1 dead SK

If there is 1 mafia left:
6 / 27 = 22%

If there are 2 mafia left:
7 / 27 = 26%

If there are 3 mafia left:
8 / 27 = 30%

Scum / Town ratio is usually somewhere around 25% - 33%. I dont think Christian would have modkilled Nofo if we had 3 mafia left.

1 mafia left, with the ration being at 22%, seems low to me. I think most games are closer to 33% then 25%.

2 left seems most likely to me.

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 14:41

Ari @ 15/5/2016 7:29 Wikey JUST SAID that if I had chosen Badger, I would have been guaranteed to save Redster. How the hell does he know that? He must have slipped and known they sent Badger out last night. Twisting my words. By your own admission Badger is your top scum suspect. Redster was an obvious scum target. Why wouldn't you lure your top scum suspect to divert their kill away from someone like Redster? You said yourself you wanted to lure Buffy to protect Redster. Why didn't you want to do the same to Badger? This makes no sense. Luring Badger was the obvious course of action last night if you are indeed telling the truth. A shady claim, the connection with Buffy, TIB saying he bought his claim and promptly dying. Luring him would have cleared things up immensely, because if someone other than you had been attacked it would have made Badger look a whole lot better. Instead you chose...me. And that's another thing. Say you lured me and you died. What then? Nobody would have had any way of knowing that you lured me. They would obviously make the assumption that you would have lured the obvious target Badger, and assumed he was scum and you had lured him.

Do I really have to say it for the third time?

LETS BREAK IT DOWN

I think there are 2 scum left.
Mafia want to kill the tracker.
Mafia dont want to kill me.
Mafia expect me to lure Badger.

Why would mafia want me to pick their killer? I am one of the easiest people to lynch today. Redster can track their killer and have host confirmed evidence. Mafia needed him dead. There is no way if Badger is mafia that they would have him pull the trigger. No. Way. They would expect me to lure him and might even expect Redster to follow him.

If I had died by luring you and lets say for the sake of the argument that Badger would have been lynched and flipped town. Would it have been too hard to figure out I would have lured you? You two are literally the only people who dont have rock solid evidence pointing to you being town. I am sure town would have figured it out the next day that you would have been my choice.

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 14:41

Twisting my words.

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Ari @ 15/5/2016 6:37

Even though you could have lured him and guaranteed Redster would stay alive another day to get some crucial night results?

Twisting? I am just reiterating what you said.

God damn it I fucked up the quote

Wikey, another thing.

You said you think there is 1 mafia left.
You seem to think that is me.
Redster tracked me yesterday and saw that I was telling the truth and did not go anywhere.

How do you explain that?

I am going to go to the gym to GET SOME OF THIS ANGER OUT

Wikey @ 15/5/2016 15:09

Ari @ 15/5/2016 8:02 Wikey, another thing. You said you think there is 1 mafia left. You seem to think that is me. Redster tracked me yesterday and saw that I was telling the truth and did not go anywhere. How do you explain that? I thought about this. I didn't say anything because I was waiting to see if you would bring it up first. And my answer would be this...Ninja. Ninja has been a regular occurrence in Christian/Lamps games, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if scum had one in this game.

If I am ninja, why would I claim a visiting role? Why would I claim to have visited Timmah and Canuck?

If I was Ninja I would claim a non visiting role. Like someone has already done!

Then there wouldnt be any risk, as no one could see me!