I thought Patrick was really off on day 1. Seemed weird.

I dont want to lynch based on surviving attacks but Paul gave me some scum vibes on day 1, but im willing to let it slide for now, just because I think Patrick was very weird on day 1.

##lynch: Patrick

Paulus @ 8/8/2013 11:12

Ari @ 8/8/2013 12:06 I thought Patrick was really off on day 1. Seemed weird. I dont want to lynch based on surviving attacks but Paul gave me some scum vibes on day 1, but im willing to let it slide for now, just because I think Patrick was very weird on day 1. ##lynch: Patrick Care to point out what scum vibes I gave? If you're going to throw out suspicion, you should elaborate. It's not like there's any danger in doing so.

Its not based on anything really. Just when I read some of your posts I thought a mafia player could have written them! You starting trains and then saying "mafia wont start trains on day 1" just seemed kinda fishy :P

Patrick was way more scummier to me than you where so im voting for him. He just seemed very cautions and didnt vote anyone. There where a lot of trains so why wouldnt he jump on one of them? Its day 1 and Vernon was one of the trains. Or create his own train for that matter. I think he was being cautions cause hes mafia and didnt want to look bad for lynching townie (even if vernon was third party, mafia wouldnt know him apart from a townie)

one of the kills could easily be vigilantee or jack of all trades. Or any kind of town killing role really. Doesnt have to be third party!

A cult being in the game is very likely though. Big player list...

What if Paul is the cult leader and recruited the PGO last night? Paul would be BP and the PGO would have attacked him, resulting in him surviving.

Paulus @ 8/8/2013 14:04

Cult leaders typically don't survive their failed recruits. That's why the Cult generally fails. It's a nice theory as always though Ari!

Wut? Never said that the recruitment failed. If my theory is correct it was successful but because the PGO attacks whoever visits him, he attacked you. Cult leader being usually bulletproof means that he would survive such a visit, like any other attempt on his life.

If you are the cult leader and the PGO is probably town, that would mean that the recruitment was successful (as the PGO is town) and he attacked you because of his role. He would also have joined your cult, but as you said probably as vanilla but you never know how many "shots" the PGO has.

Paulus @ 8/8/2013 14:12

Also Ari: PGO is almost always a town role. I don't think I've ever seen a mafia aligned PGO. It would add a layer of protection to them. I'm kind of going off the assumption that this player is town for now. They haven't done an awful lot to make me suspect otherwise (though it could still flip either way). How about commenting on my JJ lynch in which I put forth actual concrete evidence instead of just pulling hypotheses out of thin air? I know it requires actually reading the threads but that's a sacrifice you'll just have to make.

Never said anything about the PGO being mafia, my assumption was that he is town which is far more likely.

You bring a good point on JJ though. Rob was very much against it which is good evidence. I still feel Patrick was scummy as fuck as well so I want to lynch him :P

Patrick @ 8/8/2013 17:01

Just checking in since I woke up. Out to the movies and shopping but I will be around all night. Just wanted to explain the inactivity!

Scum

oh boy this is exciting, so many train hops and information!

JJ, you shouldnt claim. That would be silly me thinks. Dont think you will be lynched at this point.

Seems like this vote will either be Samm or Paul, depending on who people believe.

Paul seems like the better target of the two imo but its quite possible Paul just paid Mal a townie visit (not sure why he would pick Mal of all people and seems like a huge coincidence that he picked a person that died)

Anyways we will get tons of info on either lynch and I feel we will catch scum soon.

Samm @ 9/8/2013 8:32

Mercator @ 9/8/2013 3:28 Samm @ 9/8/2013 8:21 Alright, I didn't want to fucking claim, but since I have people breathing down my damn neck and we have two hours until I get lynched. I was going to keep this information until I could figure out more, but now that doesn't really matter. On night 1, I watched Paul, and the result that I got said that Paul targeted Mal and then Mal was dead. I said I was suspicious of Paul earlier today and this is how. Wait are you a watcher or a tracker? oh are they two different roles? i just used watched cause like that's the word that came to mind. i'm a tracker

Watcher - You target Ari and you would see everyone that visited me
Tracker - You target Ari and you would see everyone that I visited

Mercator @ 9/8/2013 8:42

Also, why are you awake Ari? Are you at work? (:

I am now! Was just home earlier.

Anyways insane tracker would be hilarious and unseen before, but seeing your result on Curtis I dont think its entirely impossible!

Since this is Samm´s first game I would think if he was mafia that he would ask the mafia for a credible role claim. Seeing as tracker is nearly always used by hosts its so easy to counterclaim and oust him. Which would make it a pretty poor claim. Dont think anyone would advise him to claim tracker.

He could have gone to the mafia site and found a role to claim but I really think he would have asked for some advice if he was mafia, which makes me kinda believe him.