Yikes, just seeing this now. The GC won't want to take the hit, and the owner definitely won't give two shits that prices have gone up.

This is a tough spot you guys are in Primate, hopefully you guys can work through the projects you've got on the books and stay afloat!

It may be unrelated, but in my line of work we have noticed reinforced concrete pipe and manhole sections have been about 30% higher than usual. I wonder if that's because of the price of the rebar inside.

I don't understand the laws at all, but both parties are acting like absolute children.


It's goofy that the baker wouldn't just make the cake, make his bucks, and apologize to god later on. It's just as goofy that the couple wouldn't just go to another bakery.

If the decision went the other way, would that baker be forced to make me my giant cock cake that I am going to want for my wedding?

This is a legitimate question. What would have constituted "regular line of business" when it comes to an industry that I assume is quite made-to-order?

I can understand the couple pushing the topic because they're upset, but wouldn't most people just go to a different bakery and say "fuck you" to the one who wouldn't serve them?

But also, most bakers would make anyone a cake. So yeah the whole situation is just stupid

vladykins @ 7/6/2018 14:45

Mittens @ 7/6/2018 15:40 I can understand the couple pushing the topic because they're upset, but wouldn't most people just go to a different bakery and say "fuck you" to the one who wouldn't serve them? The issue, as stated in the opinion of Kennedy, is that to allow one business to do it means there would be a long list of businesses doing it. More so, the classic case imagines a small town with a single grocery store and gas station, with no other gas stations nearby. If the grocery store won't serve someone, then the person will starve, especially if the gas station won't give them gas to drive away. Public accommodations is pretty simple; people just want to be able to discriminate and still get the benefits of public accommodations, and it doesn't work like that. And before Primate gets his panties in a knot and decides to cry bigotry again, I think the Colorado Commissions's earlier rulings on the Jack cases was wrong: those bakers should have made the cake with anti-gay marriage messages. It wasn't obscene and it is not the baker's decision to censor a message.

Did any of that apply in this case?

Skip the legal jargon - if there was another bakery across town who would help them then these folks were just being jackasses to try and out jackass the baker.

vladykins @ 7/6/2018 15:00

Mittens @ 7/6/2018 15:56 Skip the legal jargon - if there was another bakery across town who would help them then these folks were just being jackasses to try and out jackass the baker. Nope- if one baker can discriminate, why wouldn't the next? You can't argue "surely someone will serve them" when the past has shown that no service is exactly what will happen.

Not everyone hates people? Let that guy's business suffer and he'll be on his merry way. I dislike that these stupid disagreements make their way into our court system and bog it all down

I'm looking at the politifact articles now, and some of these predictions that they count as "kept" are hilarious.

Obama:

The Promise: "I will immediately sign a law that begins to phase out all incandescent light bulbs - a measure that will save American consumers $6 billion a year on their electric bills."
Update December 19th, 2016: Through mix of federal standards and consumer actions, LED bulbs are growing fast


Trump

Nominate someone from his list of justices to replace Antonin Scalia
“I am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of Justice Scalia. I'm looking for judges — and I've actually picked 20 of them so that people would see.”


Both of these are laughable, so comparing the lists for who has more kept/broken is stupid IMO because neither of these should count as real promises kept in the first place.

Yes they're both technically kept promises, but they're stupid.

Light bulbs to me was more of just consumer awareness of the benefits, so congrats to the president for influencing that I suppose. And Trump's kept promise was a no-brainer so that doesn't really count to me either.

So to me comparing the lists more so just comes down to how did they phrase their promises, and did the fill it up with easy to do shit like "I will toe the party line" or "I will begin to do ____" so their stats could look better.

Not that they actually care what this fact checker says, but you know what I mean.

vladykins @ 11/7/2018 14:03

Mittens @ 11/7/2018 14:01 So to me comparing the lists more so just comes down to how did they phrase their promises, and did the fill it up with easy to do shit like "I will toe the party line" or "I will begin to do ____" so their stats could look better. Not that they actually care what this fact checker says, but you know what I mean. Umm, pretty sure they weren't doing things to "up their stats on Politifact".

Did you read the last sentence? Clearly not. Obviously that's not what they were doing, but using this 'metric' to compare is super weak.

vladykins @ 11/7/2018 14:02

Mittens @ 11/7/2018 14:00 Yes they're both technically kept promises, but they're stupid. Light bulbs to me was more of just consumer awareness of the benefits, so congrats to the president for influencing that I suppose. And Trump's kept promise was a no-brainer so that doesn't really count to me either. Nah, there was big enforcement- again, if you don't remember the people screaming about "I won't be able to get regular light bulbs anymore" and flocking to Home Depot and Lowes to buy out every bulb they could find, I totally remember this. It was almost as funny as when people bought all the duct tape to "save themselves from a chemical attack" in the early 2000s.

Big enforcement to make people to buy regular light bulbs? That didn't happen.

vladykins @ 11/7/2018 14:13

Mittens @ 11/7/2018 14:08 vladykins @ 11/7/2018 14:02 Mittens @ 11/7/2018 14:00 Yes they're both technically kept promises, but they're stupid. Light bulbs to me was more of just consumer awareness of the benefits, so congrats to the president for influencing that I suppose. And Trump's kept promise was a no-brainer so that doesn't really count to me either. Nah, there was big enforcement- again, if you don't remember the people screaming about "I won't be able to get regular light bulbs anymore" and flocking to Home Depot and Lowes to buy out every bulb they could find, I totally remember this. It was almost as funny as when people bought all the duct tape to "save themselves from a chemical attack" in the early 2000s. Big enforcement to make people to buy regular light bulbs? That didn't happen. Just because you were still in diapers in 2012-14 doesn't mean there wasn't a big freak out by people suddenly hoarding 40 and 60 watt incandescent bulbs. It was amazingly stupid.

You're saying two different things. Big enforcement to make people buy them, or people were just being idiots on their own.