This is why I laugh when I hear people say Brady is the greatest QB ever.

Don’t allow guys like Marino, Montana and Fouts, to get hit and it’s Tom who?

These QBs today are literally playing touch football.

Ahoda @ 2/10/2019 17:26

Marino MADE clayton and duper

Fixed that for you.

Tom Brady is a great QB. Comparing players from different eras is pretty useless. Tom Brady KNOWS he’s not getting hit hard, ever, and that’s a huge mental advantage over what QBs in the past eras have had. No worries about happy feet when the QB knows they can’t hit him hard. A lot less mistakes are made when the QB isn’t scared for his life. His heads not on a swivel and that 3 second clock in his head isn’t near as loud.

The game plan vs Marino was to hit him every time he dropped back to throw the ball, and not just push him, but to knock his dick in the dirt. And this is exactly what teams did. Remember he played well before the “2 step” rule. Ya know the first QB protection rule that was instituted. You can get two full steps after he’s thrown the ball and still lay him out. Before that guys would would hit the QB well after he had thrown it. Now if a guy took 2 full steps and hit the QB, he’d probably be suspended half the season. And also now if a QB runs and Slides, you can’t do anything but merely touch him, like a baby kitten. Back in the day if a QB took off, it was GAME ON! Lol.

I like most of the new rules tbh. But some of the QB rules are a bit ridiculous. But owners don’t want their Star QBs getting hurt and that’s understandable.

But when you argue Marino vs Montana or Emmit Smith vs Barry Sanders, you have to remember Football is a team sport. Nobody can do it alone.

Just look at what or who these guys were playing with.

Montana had a cast of HOF’s around him. The Hands down greatest WR of all time. Always a outstanding Defense.

Marino had 3x pro bowler Mark Clayton and 2x pro bowler Mark Duper. Never a decent RB and for half his career an average defense. Teams game planned to stop Marino because there was no run game to worry about. And Marino still lit it up over and over again.

Same thing for Emmit Smith, surrounded by HOFs. Teams couldn’t focus on just him. He always followed a FB, rarely got hit in the backfield due to always having a great OLine.
Barry Sanders WAS the Detroit offense. Defenses focused solely on shutting him down because the Detroit passing game was never good or consistent until maybe his last year or so. Rarely followed a FB and a third of the time had to avoid a tackler before he even got to the line of scrimmage. And he still got it done over and over.

Ahoda @ 3/10/2019 16:47

I'd still take Peyton as my #1 all time

Swap him and Brady and IMO Tom would not be in the top 20.

Peyton was probably the greatest ever at reading the defense and knowing how to exploit its weaknesss.

And to me the Championship argument is so ridiculous.

By that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.

And a good example right now is Eli. There’s a lot of debate on if he should make the HOF. The guy has TWO SB MVPs. Meaning his performance in those games were better than anyone else in the game. And it was the biggest games.
It takes a team.

Curtis @ 3/10/2019 18:48

Havo @ 3/10/2019 20:41 Ahoda @ 3/10/2019 16:47 I'd still take Peyton as my #1 all time Swap him and Brady and IMO Tom would not be in the top 20. Peyton was probably the greatest ever at reading the defense and knowing how to exploit its weaknesss. I legitimately think that if Brady is the best at any one aspect it’s exactly what you just said. He’s so good at reading defense

Yeah I think Brady is very good at that. He’s a master of taking what the D is giving also. He doesn’t force things and he’s good at taking care of the ball.

But no one studied the game like Peyton did.

im317 @ 4/10/2019 10:15

Havo @ 3/10/2019 20:44 And to me the Championship argument is so ridiculous. By that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. And a good example right now is Eli. There’s a lot of debate on if he should make the HOF. The guy has TWO SB MVPs. Meaning his performance in those games were better than anyone else in the game. And it was the biggest games. It takes a team. oh come on. Super Bowl MVP does not always go to the best player. often not even the best player in that game. the Giants entire starting D line was better then Eli in both those games.

No it doesn’t always go to the best player.

But it usually goes to the best individual performance. Eli played better than pretty much anyone else overall in both those games. You can disagree all you want but it is what it is. Eli played his ass off in those games.

Primate @ 4/10/2019 14:55

Havo @ 4/10/2019 13:15 im317 @ 4/10/2019 10:15 Havo @ 3/10/2019 20:44 And to me the Championship argument is so ridiculous. By that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. And a good example right now is Eli. There’s a lot of debate on if he should make the HOF. The guy has TWO SB MVPs. Meaning his performance in those games were better than anyone else in the game. And it was the biggest games. It takes a team. oh come on. Super Bowl MVP does not always go to the best player. often not even the best player in that game. the Giants entire starting D line was better then Eli in both those games. No it doesn’t always go to the best player. But it usually goes to the best individual performance. Eli played better than pretty much anyone else overall in both those games. You can disagree all you want but it is what it is. Eli played his ass off in those games. Phil Sims, Mark Rypien, and Doug Williams also won superbowl MVP's and aren't in the HOF, unless Simms got in last year.

Eli has done it TWICE.

I’m not an Eli fan by no means.

But two SB MVPs is enough to get you in IMO.

Boc @ 4/10/2019 16:52

should Edelman be in by that logic? Both above-average but not great players who happened to shine in some big games while mostly being carried by great teams up to those points

He’s only won 1 SB MVP.

You can make a reasonable argument that anybody can win it once.

I don’t get a vote obviously, but IMO winning it twice should get you in when you’ve had a pretty decent career.

Spin @ 4/10/2019 21:09

Boc @ 4/10/2019 22:05 to be clear I'm not actually making an argument for Edelman being in (: But I do think the case for Eli is awfully similar to someone like Edelman, two good-not-great players that were just along for the ride til they had the chance to shine in some big moments Havo's just all about Manning, because he's a "good southern boy". If Manning was from California, Havo would have disowned him 20 years ago.

What part of “I’m not an Eli fan by no means” don’t you understand?

I could not care less if Eli gets in the HOF.

But comparing him to other QBs who ARE IN the HOF.

Comp Pct - 58.4 / Yards - 49,325 / TDs - 291 / Ints - 233
Never played in a SB. 1st Ballot HOFer

Spoiler	+
Warren Moon

Comp Pct - 50 / Yards - 27,663 / TDs - 173 / Ints - 220
1 time SB MVP

Spoiler	+
Joe Namath

Comp Pct - 61.5 / Yards - 32,942 / TDs - 165 / Ints - 141
1 time SB MVP

Spoiler	+
Troy Aikman

Eli Manning
Comp Pct - 60.3 / Yards - 56,537 / TDs - 362 / Ints - 241
2 time SB MVP.

If those guys deserve it ............

Imagine thinking what anyone other than the actual voters for the HOF think means a damn when it comes to the HOF.

I don’t get all the Eli hate. But I really don’t care either.

I wouldn’t want him as the QB for my team.

Curtis @ 5/10/2019 10:59

The double standards on display here

Lol. Yeah Brady’s SBs count but Eli’s doesn’t.

I can’t wait until I get to come back in this thread 25 years from now when Eli gets in on his last ballot Chance. Just to tell all you damn soccer fans how stupid you are.