I mean.. is he an odd choice? I think EOD mostly cleared him, I guess it could be argued that it was an attempt at deflection when he knew Vern would be lynched anyways, but it seems like a pretty honest attempt to change things to me.

Anyways, I feel validated but also disheartened because now I have no fucking idea what to do, and think it might be too late to turn things around anyways.

I guess I feel the best about Reaper and like... Havo? Vic maybe?

SentiNav Prime @ 17/3/2020 19:16

why do you think it'll be too late to turn things around? 3 mafia and 1 3P killer are dead. we can still do this spencher i apologize i didnt follow your lead yesterday. i wasnt really around EOD though town core: 17. Havo 11. Primate 25. TiB 4. Ahoda 14. Spencher 3. Nav seems like legit breadcrumbs and unlikely to be mafia 7. Reapher lynchpool/PoE: 5. Spin 23. Vic 9. Cultis spin/vic/cultis is my lynchpool for the day in that order since im pretty sure the rest of the people left are town

Hmm, I thought there were one or two less people still alive than there were, I guess things are still fine if we're good from here on out.

I don't really BLAME any town for going with Vern, because I think it did feel like there was a lot of inconsistency and I couldn't explain logically why I felt the way I did anyways.

I'm pretty onboard with Spin again. I think it feels weird to put Vic and Curtis together because I feel they've been at each other's throat all game, but I don't recall it every being backed with actual action so I don't think it's impossible that it's for show.

I haven't claimed, I still think it's probably more beneficial that I don't here, but if it'd help others to trust me more I don't think it's a massive deal at this point either.

I'd be in favour of a Spin or Curtis lynch today, probably favoring Spin a little bit.

Because it's unlikely to help at this point anyways, as I don't think I'm a prime mafia target tonight anyways and if not today it will likely be pushed harder tomorrow anyways, even if I were able to hide it through today:

I'm a town hider. I was hoping that by continuing to hide it (hehe) I would be able to waste a mafia kill and provide a bit of extra leeway.
N1: Unused, nobody targets new players immediately anyways so I deemed any action to be more risky.
N2: Jordan, similar as above, but

Oh I accidentally hit enter

Spencer @ 18/3/2020 18:44

Because it's unlikely to help at this point anyways, as I don't think I'm a prime mafia target tonight anyways and if not today it will likely be pushed harder tomorrow anyways, even if I were able to hide it through today: I'm a town hider. I was hoping that by continuing to hide it (hehe) I would be able to waste a mafia kill and provide a bit of extra leeway. N1: Unused, nobody targets new players immediately anyways so I deemed any action to be more risky. N2: Jordan, similar as above, but

N2: Jordan, similar as above, but the D1 pressure on him was mostly dead by this point and I wanted to use it for the sake of using it really.
N3: Unused, felt I was one of the least likely to be a target
N4: Used on Vic, this is the one night that might provide something of interest, because if it counts as a visit it'd be implicit in the whole switch business. Would mean he had an even number of visits this night, which I think checks out because this was the night he was blocked?
N5: Used on Reaper, felt it was a slightly safer MOR choice.

I was told it was successful.

All of my actions were successful, I'm not sure about the details of if they SHOULD HAVE or shouldn't have been through established knowledge, because I don't have extensive knowledge of mafia roles beyond the most basic.

If you feel like lynching me clears up information and that you have time to win with a wasted night then go ahead, I don't think I'll be MASSIVELY USEFUL for deduction going forward or anything.

Ahoda @ 18/3/2020 18:50

Spencer you die if you hide behind scum?

In general? Not as far as I'm told. I read the mafiascum wiki entry when I got the role and I assume you mean what they refer to as a 'weak' hider versus the normal version?

Anyways I don't believe I die just from hiding behind scum, only if the person I hide behind is killed that night.

If that's the case he presumed I knew that and didn't include it in the description, otherwise it isn't the case here.

Curtis @ 18/3/2020 19:08

Spencer @ 18/3/2020 17:56 Ahoda @ 18/3/2020 18:50 Spencer you die if you hide behind scum? In general? Not as far as I'm told. I read the mafiascum wiki entry when I got the role and I assume you mean what they refer to as a 'weak' hider versus the normal version? Anyways I don't believe I die just from hiding behind scum, only if the person I hide behind is killed that night. This feels to me like someone linked a mafiascum hider fake claim on the scum forum and that’s why you’re referring to it. Reading your role description and then going on mafiascum to read the same role description just feels...weird. What compelled you to do that?

I don't know how to play mafia and it has a section on how to play a role. It's the first result that comes up when you look up 'Mafia Hider'

SentiNav Prime @ 18/3/2020 19:26

hey spencher why were u defending Vern the day he got lynched?

I don't have like, a logical point of THIS IS WHY HE'S INNOCENT, or I would have said it yesterday. I just read through and for the most part felt he was telling the truth. I wasn't like INCREDIBLY confident or anything given that you all both know him and know the game better than me. I felt it strongly enough that I didn't want to be complicit, and was typing up a Curtis lynch appeal before Vic and Vern hammered, though I didn't have high hopes for it at that point.

Anyways, I think you guys have proven to have an awful track record at judging what are reasonable claims in this game, so I wouldn't really lynch based on that.

I think Vic might very well be 3P, but I don't really think he's an active killing threat, and I'm still good with a Spin lynch. Curtis as well honestly, but there is both less interest and less conviction there on my part.

##lynch Spin.

Honestly I don't think you get a great deal of information from lynching me, it's not going to clear Reaper or Vic unless I have hidden text adding the mafia-hide-death section.

I figure Curtis will though, and Havo pretty well said he's going to follow Primate here. I don't really have much left to argue, if I'm lynched I hope the town gets better really quickly!!

That's a stupid reason to lynch.

Good luck if you're cool!