Two kills, both obvious town players.

im317, you have some 'splainin' to do

Someone gave me a gun last night. I'm definitely going to use it, but not before we have some discussion. I already have a favorite target in mind, but could be swayed with compelling evidence/arguments.

Dylan @ 3/11/2015 20:52

Well looks like everyone so far was telling the truth. Two people died which means (mafia/IM317 (if he is telling the truth). While it is REALLY shady that both people that died had pretty good alabis (especially Buffy), it could possibly also confirm that there is indeed a separate killer other than IM317 (which resulted in Badger's death and one of these deaths).

Isn't it obvious that Angi, the Mafia Untrackable, killed Badger night 1? Badger was killed, and as the Town Bomb, got to blow up whomever killed him. Angi was killed in a blast. That's pretty cut and dry.

There is no situation where im317, if he is Town Vig, would go anywhere near any of the three people who died last night. Buffy was pretty much clear, and you don't chance Town Siblings with so many better options.

Dylan @ 3/11/2015 23:35

Timmah @ 3/11/2015 22:50 Mafia killed Buffy Imo. Third party or 317 killed the twins imo. The big question is what happened to the Mafia kill night2? Night 3 Brian was poisoned so there were actually 2 kills that night, which accounts for perhaps a third party kill. There were 2 kills last night as well and one wasn't 317 if we believe him This post doesn't make sense. Brian being poisoned seems to be something different than the traditional kill, so that does not mean there was 2 kills that night. Also since im317 wasn't blocked his kill likely ended up on one of the twins, or Buffy. The question is if it was done by a bus driver or some sort of puppet master.

Why don't you just tell us who you redirected last night that ended up with known townies being killed. You've been hinting at being the redirector for at least 2 days now. Just come out with it and clear up the confusion.

Jayadamo @ 4/11/2015 1:33

I don't buy IM's Town Vig claim. Wouldn't mafia have killed him by now? If he isn't town Vig I think you can add JC to his team.

So, I'm the guy who's been questioning im317's Town Vig claim since he originally made it, and all of a sudden I'm teamed up with him? How do you get from point A to point orange?

I'm starting to think we have a 3rd party JOAT-type role. It would explain the 1-time silence, and the 1-time poisoning. Not sure what the other choices would be, but it could be tied to the gun I just got last night. All these events seem to be 1-time events, and with the number of people dwindling quickly, I think it makes more sense if they were all coming from the same person.

I'm putting this out there now. I will be shooting the gun I received this afternoon some time. I am planning on picking my top scum target and shooting them, unless someone has compelling evidence to change targets.

At the moment, my top scum read is Henry. This is because he a) adamantly disbelieves my silence claim, b) hasn't done anything to help town all game, and c) called me a cunt.

If anyone has compelling evidence to save Henry, you better get to it. If that does surface, I'm then probably looking in the direction of someone in the Schrauben/Redster/Jayadamo/Dylan/Canuck group.

Redster @ 4/11/2015 10:05

Sounds like a sucky role actually. 3rd party should have more in their arsenal. I'm thinking that role would be either town or mafia.

I doubt it's mafia, as mafia normally doesn't get a 2nd kill action. I guess it could be a town role, but then it screwed up in poisoning brian. I'd lean 3rd party, but it being town is definitely possible.

Wikey @ 4/11/2015 10:15

...wall of text... wah...why didn't i get the gun...

Ok, I get it. You want me to shoot you instead. That could probably be done.

Timmah @ 4/11/2015 10:21

The proper greeting is FU Dadd!

You forgot to bold it.

Wikey @ 4/11/2015 10:23

You asked everybody's opinion, then immediately threatened the person to give you theirs... See, this is why I'm suspicious of the motivations of the gun giver. They had several near confirmed townies to choose from, but they chose you.

You suggested that they give the gun to you, im317, or buffy. Let's think through those options, shall we?

im317 (claims town vig) - has taken credit for a number of kills (all town), yet has never been targeted by mafia/sk/3rd party/etc. Wouldn't scum want a town killer out of the way?

Buffy (town roleblocker) - Pretty obvious kill target. If the gun-giver is town, why risk wasting the gun on a likely mafia kill target?

You - As far as I recall, you haven't claimed or hinted at any role. Why would a gun-giver (if town) give a gun to an unknown player?

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If you believe I was silenced, it makes me very likely town. I've also not shared any info, so I don't appear to have a powerful town role, so I'm unlikely a kill target (plus, i look scummy as fuck and why wouldn't mafia leave me alive to take more heat?). If I had a gun to give out, I'd have given it to a player like myself - very likely town and very unlikely to be targeted for a kill.

Jayadamo @ 4/11/2015 12:24

I see you lurking with your gun JC. Does the day end if you shoot somebody? If not get to shooting so we can discuss it.

I leave the thread open in a tab all day at work, so I can check in when I have a moment. Have you ever known me to lurk (on purpose)?

:P

Dylan @ 4/11/2015 12:38

I believe the claim. Makes sense. I am not scum. My role has yet to produce anything of interest. If you are going to shoot me let me know so I can post what I've got so far. I suck at getting vibes on people. The three I am a little sketchy on are Tim, I can't pull up examples becaus

You aren't near the top of my "To Shoot" list, so don't worry.

I asked anybody for evidence that Henry is town. I have seen nothing other than Wikey jumping to his defense stating things like "this is how he always is" and other garbage.

If Henry turns up scum, I think we've found a partner.

I've got to run to a lunch meeting, but if nothing more exciting comes to light when I return, it'll be lights out for Henry then.

Wikey @ 4/11/2015 13:13

Let's get one thing straight, I am not defending Henry. I am trying to point out that you are essentially taking a shot in the dark by shooting him. Because he is ALWAYS antagonistic, he ALWAYS says dumb shit, and he NEVER contributes. Yes he might flip scum. But you could say the same if you line up any inactive in the game with no evidence against them and threaten to shoot them.

And what benefit is there to the town if he plays like this? Mafia would leave him alive, as it's one less person even trying to find scum. I'd rather an active scum player, whom we can push for info and read their postings, than leave an inactive/non-helpful townie around just for the numbers advantage. At some point, townies like Henry (if he is town, which I doubt) become a liability.

Wikey @ 4/11/2015 13:13

Meanwhile there are other targets who you can make a stronger case for. Dylan, Redster and Jay are three examples I can think of. I find it rather annoying that you asked for outside help on who to shoot, but as soon as someone suggests someone other than your original target, they are scummy and clearly protecting their scum buddy!

I never asked for help in picking a target to shoot. I said I had a target in mind, unless anyone had compelling evidence to change my mind. I even named my target very early on. I have seen no evidence other than anecdotal evidence that suggests he's any better/worse of a target than any of the other unknowns.

Hell, I didn't have to tell people I got a gun. All I had to do was tell the mod if I wanted to shoot someone or not. It's entirely likely that if I had kept it hidden, I could have shot without being revealed. I didn't do this, as I want the town to have as much information as possible. If the gun giver is town, I want them to know I received it, and what my plans with it are.