I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world.

Nofo ☭ @ 1/1/2015 19:48

The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 2:23 I am glad FE is fighting the real issues of the world. But it is a very real issue. Trans people are killed every day because they had the audacity to express who they were when who they were isn't considered "normal." It is a real fucking issue. Not only that, but 50% of transgender individuals in a survey said they were sexually assaulted. 67% of trans women in that survey said they were sexually assaulted.

My problem isn't the issue itself but the dramatisation of the issue and the sometimes attention-seeking behaviour of those involved. For example, the reality shows (or similar) based on transgender individuals showing them acting in a pretty.... pathetic (for want of a better word) way - rather than highlighting the issues you cite - in my opinion, belittles the entire group and trivialises the issue. The funny thing is these shows are probably created to "give attention to the issues transgender people face" but very rarely is it actually shown and is just turned into something "entertaining".

Also you can say that pretty much every group of people - gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian etc - are killed on a daily basis for simply being who they are. Is there a reason transgender individuals would be specifically targeted for sexual assault?

You are missing the point - I am not saying television is representative of the entire group BUT that is how people process media. Stereotyping an entire group based on such television shows (or other forms of media) is something which is hardly new. Do you think if the media had the same focus on this issue as you do, do you think it would still be a non-issue for the majority of the world?

Also I was not insinuating that at all. Merely pointing out that whilst it isn't acceptable it is by no means a unique situation.

Why do you think it is such a low priority issue in the world currently and what do you think should be done to change that?

Buffy @ 2/1/2015 12:10

Malion @ 1/1/2015 13:33 Part of me is glad this is a continued discussion but the other part of me is pissed that there was such an outcry to exile it into it's own thread, which reeks more of "take it away from the place that I usually post so I don't have to see it" rather than "I'm genuinely interested in this topic and would like for it not to be cast into a general discussion thread where it won't get the attention it deserves" there wasn't an outcry, it was a joke, chill out.

That was exactly what I meant about dramatising the issue. Like really Mal, "exiling to its own thread"?

^ Post of the year

Nofo ☭ @ 2/1/2015 13:15

KC It doesn't mean they need to be educated um... that's exactly what it means.

But forcing your version of "educating" them isn't needed. If people want to learn, then they can learn. But they don't need it forced on them. Many religions suffer the exact same problem and is why so many people have a pretty passionate dislike for them.

Nofo ☭ @ 2/1/2015 13:25

Also, that's not far from the truth, korr. They took her out of school too.

Taking someone out of school is pretty damn far from locking them in a dungeon.

Moose @ 2/1/2015 14:18

Chris25 @ 1/1/2015 20:08 Moose @ 1/1/2015 18:55 But they were close minded Christian bigots. And yes, it was abuse. Her parents did everything they could from letting Leelah be herself and tried to make them who he parents wanted them to be. Leelah felt trapped in her own body and knew she was different since she was young. Her age should not invalidate her feelings because she wasn't legal. I knew since I was 13 that I wasn't straight. Is my sexuality invalidated because I was so young? I knew what I felt and Leelah knew what she felt. It was her life that her parents tried to control and make her feel that she wasn't a human being. When i was a freshman in high school, i wanted to go out partying and drinking every weekend with my GF (who happened to be a hot senior). GUESS WHAT, my parents wouldnt let me. I bitched and moaned and fought with my parents but at the end of the day I WAS STILL A MINOR and they could do whatever the fuck they wanted to me. I got grounded multiple times for doing shit they didn't want me to do, they took away the internet and wouldn't let me go out on the weekend. I was PISSED. You know what I didn't do? FUCKING KILL MYSELF Leelah wasn't a brat, like what DD said. She wasn't kept from going out to parties, she was denied her basic human right. She did not know enough about trans people because her only access to it was taken away from her. She knew no other way of life.

Based on that letter, that didn't seem to be an issue at all, she found out what they were at 14. But once again, the internet is not a basic human right.

dr @ 2/1/2015 14:28

Knowing what they are =/= having all necessary information

Well purely based on that letter, it seemed her issue was with her parents understanding of the issue (and a range of other pressures unrelated to this) not a lack of information.

Moose @ 2/1/2015 14:29

The Anti-Kiwifruit @ 1/1/2015 20:25 Based on that letter, that didn't seem to be an issue at all, she found out what they were at 14. But once again, the internet is not a basic human right. Her right to be the person she wanted to be was the right I was referring to.

How expensive is it to transition out of curiosity?