So nav cc’d Helios. I’d have to think that the most likely truth here is that Helios is mafia/third party commuter.

Motley Lou @ 28/1/2018 20:25

Do you guys think it’s a scum role or town role that skipped a night phase?

I’d say town. Scum would want 2 straight nights.

I think Helios is the lynch, but TT is rocketing up my scum radar.

I also think it’s funny that we just had a fight about whether Curtis would or wouldn’t orchestrate some giant plan, because when this day started quickly I was actually thinking “you know, I could really see Curtis and tier both being mafia and having tier bus Curtis and Jamie and then Henry stealth kill Curtis so that Jamie dies and Curtis looks super town after that D1”. In my version of that plan, the D1 stuff wasn’t a part of it other than to maybe provide the impetus for the idea. I’m not saying this is what I think, but I have had the thought.

I think the cross section of those that voted Curtis over Henry and then also voted wikey could be interesting: spin, DS, primate

I’m sure there is a mafia or 2 on that wikey lynch.

ZacharyB @ 28/1/2018 23:07

DS @ 28/1/2018 23:57 Timmah @ 28/1/2018 18:29 I think the cross section of those that voted Curtis over Henry and then also voted wikey could be interesting: spin, DS, primate I’m sure there is a mafia or 2 on that wikey lynch. So do you think I was bussing Helios the other day? This is a funny statement since Helios hasnt flipped yet.

It is also funny because my post did not say that I believe each of the 3 people that voted on both are scum, just that I found the cross-section of those votes interesting.

DS @ 28/1/2018 23:19

Buffy @ 28/1/2018 20:17 w/w - werewolves? :P Sorry Wolf/wolf - if hypothetically we were both scum does timmah think it is possible in this game universe that Helios and I are on the same scum team

Sure, it is definitely possible. I am not sitting here claiming that it's true, though. We'll see how things shake out.

Tattooed Tooth @ 29/1/2018 6:02

Timmah @ 29/1/2018 0:24 I think Helios is the lynch, but TT is rocketing up my scum radar. Uh, why is that? Because I derailed from Nav x Helios, bringing actual information like you did in your very next post?

It's the content of your posts mostly. Yesterday you defended Wikey pretty hard even though he didn't look very good with his defense, imo. It felt to me like you knew he's not mafia with you so you wanted town cred by defending him for when he flipped what you thought would be town. Today, we have town commuter gate and you glossed right over it, which if helios or nav is scum, makes me think you don't want to get caught having to discuss it.

Since I saw it mentioned somewhere - DS and Patrick have not claimed the same role. They have claimed sort of similar roles that affect another person's ability to vote, but which are completely different roles.

Nav and Helios have claimed the exact same role.

Does Patrick steal the vote and then get to use it as he sees fit, whether publicly or anonymously?

ZacharyB @ 29/1/2018 12:28

thisisbad @ 29/1/2018 12:57 I think when people say its a distraction then they know both parties aren't mafia. Helios had some heat before this. So it's not like the focus on him is out of nowhere. And given how this one super long day has gone its the natural flow. If things. People act like if i claimed hider, then buffy claimed hider, we'd say that's a distraction let's move on to something else. I see where you're coming from but I'm looking at this from the opposite angle -- people saying it has to be Helios or Nav probably know they're both town. It's funny because I think a lot of people who have been saying it's one or the other haven't voted either (:

I think that it has a lot to do with the fact that we would be leaving a pretty big, unanswered question on the table to turn into an actual distraction as the days go by.

##lynch Helios

I am not sure that I'll be back before deadline, and this is a question that has to be answered at some point. I could be convinced to lynch Sock perhaps, and maybe TT for the reasons I previously stated. Cannuck, Zersch and Angi haven't provided anything.

Nav not voting Helios is odd. I would tend to think that Nav wouldn't cc as scum, but perhaps he would.

Helios is on track to be lynched, but didn't want to fully claim. His defenses seem to me to be all about how Wikey could have gotten his role and who else we should focus on instead. I am not convinced Helios is scum, but I still just don't see there being 2 town commuter actions. I could see one from town and one from mafia, though. There have been several people outright defending Helios too, which might shed some light depending on his flip.

I don't disagree that one of Patrick or DS is likely to be scum based on the claimed roles and how they used them. I never got an answer to my question about whether Patrick would then be able to use the stolen vote, though.

Helios Garabandia @ 29/1/2018 14:26

DS @ 29/1/2018 14:23 I don't like that nav isn't voting Helios Why?

Because he cc'd you in what looked like a "gotcha" post. This would be similar to you thinking you had caught Wikey for saying his action went through on you N1 when you knew that was very unlikely based on your own action.

Curtis @ 29/1/2018 14:46

It would be p. fucked up to make Journey scum tbf

vlady doesn't have the same musical taste as most people, I don't believe.