Several interesting things. First only one kill when we know there are 2 mafias. Second, mal survived without surviving an attack but was blocked. Third, Rose straight up asked the mafia opposite of hers to kill mal, so thats also interesting with no kill attempt on mal.

We now have 1 of 4 we know are mafia - eben, Curtis, Christian or boc. With 2 mafias I just don't see how boc could be mafia as a traitor and also a mason.

Wikey changing so drastically from boc to Christian catches my attention. I can make cases for both Curtis and eben too.

Jay is still outed cult.

Christian @ 7/4/2016 21:08

Mafia would have likely blocked Mal then?

That seems pretty much a given to me.

Boc @ 7/4/2016 22:04

Wikey has sketched me out all game tbh

To me too, though I can see you thinking this since he was all up in your jock most of the game.

Christian @ 7/4/2016 21:42

Timmah @ 7/4/2016 21:26 Christian @ 7/4/2016 21:08 Mafia would have likely blocked Mal then? That seems pretty much a given to me. Then they wouldn't need to kill him. But why they opted for Jamie (or nobody) is weird. Unless their killer was blocked.

But there are 2 mafias... So none of these "mafia would've" statements or theories make sense to me

Lamps @ 8/4/2016 1:30

I'd also be down with a Zero lynch, have had a feeling he could be scum since the Jamie/Zero feud, but now that Jamie flipped town, Zero is higher on my list. He's also one of the utr ppl so there's literally no loss.

I am 100% for a Zero lynch after we finalize this zook list stuff. On whatever day the Cult Jay confusion shit went down, Zero pretty obviously tried to steer us away from lynching anyone off the zook list.

At the end of the day yesterday, Jay said that brian tried to recruit Curtis D1 and failed, but didn't die. More lies from Jay or something to consider? I'm not sure why he'd fail in recruiting him, but if he lived through it that would indicate that Curtis at least isn't mafia I'd think. Or maybe he was successful and Curtis is Jay's hidden cult buddy?

I don't know who Zilla is, so I dunno if it's typical.

I agree that TIB is avoiding the zook list. And wikey's play is puzzling. Still think Zero is my top read out of those not already options.

Has there ever been a time in the history of us playing mafia together in which you didn't accuse me of being scum after I grilled you about being scum?

Though, I still maintain that only one of Eben and Lamps is likely going to flip as mafia. That was my read yesterday and I'm still reading it that way. With Lamps dying anyway, I'm not sure that lynching Eben is the best move.

Eben Etzebeth @ 8/4/2016 13:13

Timmah @ 8/4/2016 13:08 Has there ever been a time in the history of us playing mafia together in which you didn't accuse me of being scum after I grilled you about being scum? Last time I was right. This time I might be, too. I grill you when you aren't putting in the effort you usually do as a pro-town player.

I've put plenty of effort in, relative to the information (or lack thereof) that I have to date. This game has been an aberration too, in that we've spent the last several days phases fixated on specific targets/topics (the zook list and Jay's bs). Inside those topics, I think that one of you or Curtis will be mafia. If it's not you, then I also think Lamps will flip mafia. Outside of those topics, I've said several times that I think Zero is scum based on how he handled that day when the Jay fiasco started.

Looking at your list, I will also say that vlady playing "lost" like this is a giant red flag for me. "Lost" is not something that vlady ever is in these games.

Eben Etzebeth @ 8/4/2016 13:23

Timmah @ 8/4/2016 13:20 Eben Etzebeth @ 8/4/2016 13:13 Timmah @ 8/4/2016 13:08 Has there ever been a time in the history of us playing mafia together in which you didn't accuse me of being scum after I grilled you about being scum? Last time I was right. This time I might be, too. I grill you when you aren't putting in the effort you usually do as a pro-town player. I've put plenty of effort in, relative to the information (or lack thereof) that I have to date. This game has been an aberration too, in that we've spent the last several days phases fixated on specific targets/topics (the zook list and Jay's bs). Inside those topics, I think that one of you or Curtis will be mafia. If it's not you, then I also think Lamps will flip mafia. Outside of those topics, I've said several times that I think Zero is scum based on how he handled that day when the Jay fiasco started. Looking at your list, I will also say that vlady playing "lost" like this is a giant red flag for me. "Lost" is not something that vlady ever is in these games. I agree with all of this. Lo' siento for putting you on my shit list. In all honesty it's been hard to read people due to there being some pretty clear targets. What do you think is Lamps' motive to lie about me being Vanilla?

He'd already been called out by Jay iirc, so he might have just been trying to get you lynched to buy his buddies an extra day. Or maybe he read you as not being VT for some reason, so he was gambling to gain some cred for his claim by saying you aren't vanilla. It'd have looked odd if he used his role on someone not on the zook list. Just speculation, but without the flips it's all I've got.

##lynch Curtis

Has to be one of them, and I think Lamps' flip will give us any info we may need about Eben.

Timmah @ 8/4/2016 13:30

##lynch Curtis Has to be one of them, and I think Lamps' flip will give us any info we may need about Eben.

"them" being Curtis or Eben (just to clarify)

I'm going to be gone for most of the rest of the day/weekend. It's the wife's birthday and we are taking a little B&B getaway. I'll check in if I can.