Shadow LITERALLY says they "borrow" the role for a round. Much like how they borrowed Mittens vote for a round. But in this thread they've said they take it from the graveyard.

Shadow @ 15/10/2020 15:41

Andddd I’m alive I have won a role from the graveyard Therefore it HAS to be Stargate No other explanation. Tag team with z?? ##lynch star

Nothing about a graveyard here: http://www.ndimforums.com/fe/thread.asp?threadid=9792&postsby=491#680027

Stargate @ 15/10/2020 19:08

Nothing about a graveyard here: http://www.ndimforums.com/fe/thread.asp?threadid=9792&postsby=491#680027

Shadow

bullshit I'm the Town Lottery Winner I have three possible "winnings" but each come with a risk. -Vote Steal (Borrow for a round) -Role Steal (Borrow for a round) -Escape (Escape 1 day) At any point I can attempt to get a reward. I have to select one person I think is Town for each. If that person is Mafia/Anti Hero I die. If they are town I win the reward. I have used this once by guessing Curtis for the Escape

Yes I did not give the specifics of everything when I claimed.

Shadow @ 15/10/2020 17:31

Shadow @ 15/10/2020 17:21 You literally just said I stole your role. Therefore if I had your role it can only kill on even nights. Tonight’s an odd night. From their perspective you’re the only one with a killing role. You CLAIM it is only even nights. Doesn’t mean it’s true. So the safest thing is for them to lynch you and then nobody dies tonight since I apparently have your even night killing role. Then if I was scum they lynch me tomorrow. But there won’t be a tomorrow if you’re lynched I REPEAT

This. is. all. that. matters.

Take you and I out of the picture and it's black and white what they need to do.

Let's pretend we're both scum.

You say lynching me wins the game.
I say lynching you wins the game.


They win the game REGARDLESS by lynching you.
There is uncertainty they win the game by lynching me.

Why?

Because lynching you - there will be no night kill. You state I took your role and you are an even night killer. There will be no kill from me tonight.

If they lynch me today and there is a night phase, they are to trust you have been legit about not being able to kill at night. For all we know you could have inherited that ability after Z died.

Lynching you is SAFEST

(oh and also right)

thx

There's never been a kill by me on any odd night, you're cracked. I can't be Mafia. I was one of three kills the night Nav died and I killed Nav. I can't kill on Odd Nights. And I can't inherit Zersch's role? What logic is that? I am bp on odd nights, can kill on even nights, but now that Zersch is dead I can kill both nights?

I am TOWN.

There is no chance I am Mafia here. If you are Mafia then you could've easily no-killed last night and kill tonight. If you are Anti-Hero, and you yourself are claiming not to have stolen my role, you yourself are saying you can take from the graveyard. If true, you can take Herm's role. The bomber. You throw a bomb. Walk into tomorrow and explode it. You win.

I know you can't do that since you stole my role. But neither of them can be sure of that, right? By that logic, by you saying you take a role from the graveyard, you yourself are saying you can possibly kill tonight. Since there is a "Town" role in there, Herm's, that will let you toss the bomb and explode. Among other roles in there.

Like, either you stole my role, which you did, and can't take from the graveyard, but are scum by stealing my role. Or you haven't stolen my role, and can take from the graveyard and can kill tonight because of that.

Like it's fucking clear as day. By your own logic, you should be lynched.

If you’re saying I took your role how can I bomb them with herms lmao

Jesus

Shadow @ 15/10/2020 19:30

If you’re saying I took your role how can I bomb them with herms lmao Jesus

Wow.

wow indeed

Josh how confident are you that it's stargate?

i'm still thinking

My point was in a world where he’s truthful (he isn’t) logic still guarantees a town win by him being lynched from my post above

Because he claims I have his role. A role he states is even night kills. Tonight is an odd night. I couldn’t kill of what he is saying is true.

Whereas do we know he really can’t kill? Backup power after z died even ?


Tired of repeating this tbh

Shadow, you're missing the point. I can't be Mafia. There is a chance you can be. And can kill tonight. And if I'm lying, which I'm not, about you stealing my role here, then you are saying you take someone's role from the graveyard. Therefore you CAN kill tonight. in their eyes. Only I know you took my role. And are lying about the graveyard part.

But you slipped up in your post where you said nothing about a graveyard when you first claimed. You borrowed Mittens' vote. He knew that round it was gone and not his. I know this round you've borrowed my role.

Either you legit can't win and are just prolonging this to get voted out on Day 10. Or you are Mafia and can kill tonight. Or there's another aspect to your role and can kill tonight.

But if Jackie and Josh choose not to believe that you stole my role, then they are forced to believe you CAN take someone's role from the graveyard and use it to kill someone tonight. Like that's what they have to believe. Either you stole my role and are scum. Or you can take from the graveyard and can kill tonight. Whereas I cannot kill tonight.

So the safest lynch is you, Shadow.

NOBODY IS SATING YOURE MAFIA OH MY GODDDDD

YOU

ARE

ANTI