Primate @ 25/5/2017 15:59

Miko is pretty high on my scum list, too. He claimed info on D2 or 3 not a peep since, and is still alive.

Well he was blocked night 3, was he not?

Nofo @ 25/5/2017 15:56

Hern @ 25/5/2017 16:43 Nofo @ 25/5/2017 20:01 Anyone lynching me is fake. Fuck you ## unlynch Nofo, help out if you're town lol. I am town, maybe you're not since you're pointing fingers. Think about that.

Pointing fingers!? In a mafia game!?

Primate @ 25/5/2017 15:55

vladykins @ 25/5/2017 13:50 BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 14:45 ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:36 Quote With the amount of mental gymnastics Merc is doing to try and get this reporter role to be distrusted (and yesterday he tried to directly lynch them), I'm thinking he may have been on that Chaos team with Spin or something. Maybe they are a group of lynchers whose targets were all different? And that is how they create chaos? Is it possible that the lynchers only know what roles they have to lynch instead of players? If so this theory makes a lot of sense It's definitely possible. In Spin's flip, it says he has an action but that it's redacted (which I assume means we learn about it at the end of the game?). This information was probably withheld from us for balance purposes, which makes me think they could have contained information pertaining to certain roles existing in the game. Hosts probably didn't want to repeat the scenario where a player gets outed by role information that pops up as hidden text in a flip. Perhaps each of them has a certain role that they lynch and their night action involves searching for that person? If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a combination of mafia and town targets. Damn, this is the type of crazy theory I normally come up with. Color me impressed. :) I actually thought you wrote that.

I was also the one who came up with the 'Vlady's getting paid for his jokes' theory in PBS mafia. So my theories don't always really hit the mark. But no harm in trying, lol.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 15:01

Primate @ 25/5/2017 15:59 Miko is pretty high on my scum list, too. He claimed info on D2 or 3 not a peep since, and is still alive. Well he was blocked night 3, was he not?

I don't remember it if so. I'll go look.

Found it

He was blocked on N3 and gave us this nice list.

Primate @ 25/5/2017 15:59

Miko is pretty high on my scum list, too. He claimed info on D2 or 3 not a peep since, and is still alive.

Not mine- like you, he's softclaimed pretty aggressively without a CC, so I'm pretty convinced he's town.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 16:03

Primate @ 25/5/2017 15:55 vladykins @ 25/5/2017 13:50 BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 14:45 ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:36 Quote With the amount of mental gymnastics Merc is doing to try and get this reporter role to be distrusted (and yesterday he tried to directly lynch them), I'm thinking he may have been on that Chaos team with Spin or something. Maybe they are a group of lynchers whose targets were all different? And that is how they create chaos? Is it possible that the lynchers only know what roles they have to lynch instead of players? If so this theory makes a lot of sense It's definitely possible. In Spin's flip, it says he has an action but that it's redacted (which I assume means we learn about it at the end of the game?). This information was probably withheld from us for balance purposes, which makes me think they could have contained information pertaining to certain roles existing in the game. Hosts probably didn't want to repeat the scenario where a player gets outed by role information that pops up as hidden text in a flip. Perhaps each of them has a certain role that they lynch and their night action involves searching for that person? If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a combination of mafia and town targets. Damn, this is the type of crazy theory I normally come up with. Color me impressed. :) I actually thought you wrote that. I was also the one who came up with the 'Vlady's getting paid for his jokes' theory in PBS mafia. So my theories don't always really hit the mark. But no harm in trying, lol.

That would have been fantastic, but alas, it wasn't so.

-I still don't think the message last day was from a direct hit on an investigation. I do think that it's more likely than not that Zach is scum based on the resulting interactions, his claim, and the really weird swap off to Maddie for no reason at all.

-I still think Stephen will flip mafia.
-I am starting to agree that Merc is going to flip mafia as well. What has stopped me from thinking him scum most of the game is his aggressiveness. Meta, but he didn't play like that when I was scum with him last game, but that could be a function of IRL time to play?
-I lean scum on Herm.
-I am officially 50/50 on Angi being frustrated scum.

-in my opinion, vig targets should include Boc, nofo, Herm and kiwi. I may have missed another relatively inactive player.

Sorry Timmah but I am 100% frustrated town

Angi @ 25/5/2017 17:25

Sorry Timmah but I am 100% frustrated town

Me too

So, assuming that I am correct and it's Helios who is silenced... I just went through hist posts from yesterday to see if there were any posts that might give insight to why mafia didn't want him to speak today. These were the ones that stood out to me. They all took place within an hour before deadline and he heavily targeted Zach and Stephen specifically. It's also possible that mafia just wanted him silenced since he is a strong player... but still, it doesn't hurt to look into this kinda stuff. Anyways, here are the posts:

Helios

This post right here helps illustrate the reasons why I don't really buy the Princess claim. 1) If your Princessness activates upon death OR Lynch (which, btw, is supremely rare), then why are you alive? If you were killed N3, then we would've skipped today, and the Mafia would've gotten to kill tonight. I do get that would be one less kill for them, but it would be a guaranteed two kills, instead of a potential three kills. After all, the only way to get all three kills is for you to die during the day, and since nobody really discussed you as a suspect before the message today, it wouldn't have been likely that you would be the target. Is the potential for one additional kill worth giving up two kills and setting this all up? I mean, the moment you claim Princess, most people avoid lynching you, so there's no way the Mafia would be able to get that third kill. Making this all a waste. 2) With your claim being out, there's no real way for you to be targeted by anyone. At night, Town power is going to protect you, and since we know the Mafia Strongman killed Mittens (on account of Mittens being dead despite his role), Mafia should have no way to be able to get past the protection that ought to be on you. And as for the Day, nobody wants a dead Princess, giving the Mafia a free kill, so it's not likely people would want to risk Lynching you. Princess thus becomes the perfect claim for scum to make. Which brings me to... 3) Why were you called out as Scum in the message? Who benefits from that? If you're Town Princess, then whoever made that message had to know your role, and know that killing you would be beneficial to their game. The Mafia wouldn't benefit, because the instant you claim, you're not getting targeted. The Chaos Team wouldn't benefit, because a skipped day gives any killers another free shot at taking one of them out. The Town wouldn't benefit, because....well, no shit we know why Town doesn't benefit. I can't think of a single reason why that message calling you out would show up. Of course, I'm assuming that whoever has that role isn't playing an incompetent game and actually has info to back it up.... ...so yeah. I don't believe you. And I'm going to vote accordingly. ##Lynch: Zachary

Helios

##Unvote: Zachary I am 95% sure Zachary is lying scum. But...that 5% (and me finding out I used a role that I just argued didn't exist) gives me just enough pause that I don't want to see this Lynch happen...today. There are ways we can find out if Zachary is telling the truth or not...

Helios

Stephen Okay, I'm going to go back to what I was originally doing and ##lynch Zachary It came down to just some skips in logic that I cannot make sense of. If killing the princess would have sent the game immediately into another night phase, Zachary should have claimed this after DS was killed since the likelihood of a strongman/etc role being used was high. Angi brought light to this and that makes complete sense to me. I don't get why Angi is lynching Maddie when she basically said that Zachary should have claimed, not claiming it seems more like something mafia would do. Idk. Also looking the role up, it's usually only a lynch that will send the game into two nights -- not a killing. The killing just doesn't make sense as a condition on the role. What the shit is even this post? I feel as if you saw a vote moving to Maddie and are trying to save her by going back to Zachary, using things we've been discussing and debating and completely disregarding them. Go re-read, mkay?

Helios

##Vote: Maddie Because I think Stephen just tried his ass off to save her.

While the "silence a strong player" theory is nice, they silenced me and I've been shitting the bed the past few games. :rofl:

And given I'm prepping to head home, I'm going to

##lynch zach

Also sorry for that wall of text, it just occurred to me NOW that I could have done spoilers instead of quotes.

Vote Count:
Zach (2/9) - TIB, Badger, Angi, Vlady
Nofo (1/9) - Hern, TIB
Stephen (1/9) - Primate


Deadline 9pm EST tonight, ~4.5 hours.