Yeah, I'd say the one most clearly opposed to his stances would probably be Angi.

Okay, so to give this day a bit of momentum I'm thinking we can approach this vote in 3 ways:

Merc: Has been seen as scummy since day one, but if night actions prove anything he is most likely town. There is an 85% chance he's town, but that lingering 15% is still in my mind.
Angi: Is trying to paint Merc as scum, whilst coming across as sketchy as well at times.
Zach: Just based off of the PA. In my opinion, I think it's just mafia trying to paint him in a bad light.

So, I believe we should go after the 2 feuding sides (Merc or Angi) or people closely associated with either one of their stances. For example; I'd see Maddie as scum before Angi. Though Angi is more vocal, it's clear Maddie is leaning on Angi's side when it comes to stances. So we could also change the target based off of affiliation. Both of them could be town though and I'm just being a dumbass rn which is ofcourse also likely.

That's atleast my stance.

What do you guys think?

But thought I'd throw it out there. I hold thoughts like this back a lot in these games because I have this constant fear that my point will be seen as oblivious or ignorant, am trying to do that less. I honestly need to work on erasing that fear as I'm otherwise just going to constantly be seen as a 'non-contributor', which also sucks.

Better contribute something with potential backlash than not do anything <-- I need to hammer that in my head if I ever wanna get better. :p

I'm glad your not holding back Miko! I know this community can be intimidating sometimes but I think youre doing great.

Try not to worry too much about what criticism if you receive it in the day threads. Even if you make the most insightful post ever, there's a good chance mafia will try and discredit and make you feel like you're wrong.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 23/5/2017 7:37

I'm glad your not holding back Miko! I know this community can be intimidating sometimes but I think youre doing great. Try not to worry too much about what criticism if you receive it in the day threads. Even if you make the most insightful post ever, there's a good chance mafia will try and discredit and make you feel like you're wrong.

This is all wrong. Rabble rabble rabble

I have a feeler that the announcement could be bullpuckey though I have no proof. Aside from my vibes about it.

Primate are you town?

Angi @ 23/5/2017 4:12

No comment Herm? Can't come up with a good reason?

I'm not sure how I missed your post.

That post seemed like a pretty genuine post tbh.

It's possible you're all town then? I have no read on any of you. Sometimes I read you as town right away, other times I can't get a read at all. This time it was the second part, but it's possible you're town.

Primate @ 22/5/2017 20:44

2 town roles that publicly out scum seems like it might be a little op to me.

DS's outted anyone, and Farlig's "randomization" effect is hard to determine how exactly that works

Primate @ 22/5/2017 21:10

Stephen @ 22/5/2017 20:09 I don't see a combination of DS' role and this anonymous leaker role as overpowered as it is possible that the anonymous role outs people who are actually mafia whereas DS' role can cause the town to misinterpret, such as what happened D2 My main point being. Did people learn nothing from the mittens lynch?

Now this I will agree on- but it also doesn't mean Zach is off the hook.

I would prefer someone willing to stick out their neck and accuse someone over someone who will only do it anonymously.

Hern @ 22/5/2017 21:37

Can Rose be scum?

Rose has been too quiet to be able to tell- she's been largely inactive.

Timmah @ 22/5/2017 22:52

Since everyone keeps talking about Chaos Team, I assume you all think that it's a cult? Because it was specifically stated to be third party, so it's not a mafia.

If it is cult, it's a bizarre one, since Spin was Lyncher.

Timmah @ 22/5/2017 23:02

ZacharyB @ 22/5/2017 22:57 Timmah @ 22/5/2017 23:52 Since everyone keeps talking about Chaos Team, I assume you all think that it's a cult? Because it was specifically stated to be third party, so it's not a mafia. Don't cults start with one person? Or is that not a thing on this site Sometimes. Most times we see them with recruiting abilities. I have no idea. All I know is that spin's flip specifically said third party, and then Merc went all aboard on the second mafia train, and now everyone is all gung ho about referring to the chaos team. They are third party, so they are scum and need to be eliminated, but I read people that are trying to direct attention that way as mafia looking for a way to scum hunt for a non-mafia scum to help them look PT. That is a great, classic mafia move, fwiw.

I guess as third party survivor that got recruited against his will last game, I don't view third party as "scum". Cult is definitely scum, second mafia group is scum, and SK are scum. But survivor and other third party like that are exactly that- third party. They will do whatever to end the game faster, which means they will often try to help town unless town is shitting the bed themselves. If I hadn't been recruited last game to mafia*, the wasted lynch on my role (third party survivor) was exactly that.

*- I'm not arguing that it didn't work out being the right play last game, since I got recruited. But focusing on unaligned third party over scum like mafia, cult, and SK is a distraction IMO that allows scum to get town cred by being on a "non-town" lynch. Your mileage may vary.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 23/5/2017 2:37

I'm glad your not holding back Miko! I know this community can be intimidating sometimes but I think youre doing great. Try not to worry too much about what criticism if you receive it in the day threads. Even if you make the most insightful post ever, there's a good chance mafia will try and discredit and make you feel like you're wrong.

Agreed- don't be afraid to express your feelings, even if it gets you killed/lynched. Happens to me all the time. lol

##lynch: Maddie

Miko @ 23/5/2017 1:36

Yeah, I'd say the one most clearly opposed to his stances would probably be Angi. Okay, so to give this day a bit of momentum I'm thinking we can approach this vote in 3 ways: Merc: Has been seen as scummy since day one, but if night actions prove anything he is most likely town. There is an 85% chance he's town, but that lingering 15% is still in my mind. Angi: Is trying to paint Merc as scum, whilst coming across as sketchy as well at times. Zach: Just based off of the PA. In my opinion, I think it's just mafia trying to paint him in a bad light. So, I believe we should go after the 2 feuding sides (Merc or Angi) or people closely associated with either one of their stances. For example; I'd see Maddie as scum before Angi. Though Angi is more vocal, it's clear Maddie is leaning on Angi's side when it comes to stances. So we could also change the target based off of affiliation. Both of them could be town though and I'm just being a dumbass rn which is ofcourse also likely. That's atleast my stance. What do you guys think?

How have I come across as sketchy? ?? I'm not understanding. I accept FOS from Merc as OMGUS but otherwise.......what have I done that's scummy? I didn't believe DS........which he was lying even tho right.......so I voted Patrick. I read DS flip and believed Mittens.....because obviously!! I'm really unsure how I am bein classed as scummy tbh. The one game I feel I've been doing a fairly good job scum hunting. I'll just go back to being dumb I guess.