NVM, I see his post from the past day.

Hm...

Christian @ 26/8/2016 6:32

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 4:21 Christian, thus far all you have said is you didn't like that shit at the end of the day. That's nice and vague too. Give me solid reasoning please. That is correct. I didn't like your end of day posts, you were all over the place. You said you thought Chris was being sarcastic. But it looked like you were. None of it made sense. But you were drunk. Again. :P I forgot you said your vote was canceled until I read back just now. It looked like thisisbad's vote was also canceled, by the end of day count. Could there have been two yesterday? Are you a top suspect of mine? Yes. But have I voted to lynch you yet today? No. Have fun at the wedding. :P

All of this tbh.

Wikey, so far this game your top suspects have been a dead man and the new guy. Your activity seems to spike only after you started getting suspected. On Day 2, you showed up and piled onto the Vernon vote that was starting up (that vote was weird BTW) without an explanation, putting Vernon ahead at 4 votes to sab's three. Then later in the day you unlynched Vernon and said you were reading him as town because of his actions during the tie the previous day, which means you didn't change your mind because of any kind of arguments; you put someone ahead in the vote that you didn't even suspect. Multiple times you've dismissed Lynch trains and suspected the people on them for going for "inactive lynches" when that was never the reasoning behind any of them. You don't exactly come across as earnest town!

I'd also like to see where exactly I've been non-commital or following everyone else! I did a quick look back at my votes and posts this game and while you can probably call me scummy for certain things I've said and done, noncommittal and following don't fit at all!

I did forget about your day kill tbh. That's kind of a weird situation. I'm not convinced you are scum, but you haven't come across as very town. My main hesitation is it feels like this game has seen a lot of scape goats every day, and the only one of them who flipped scum was 3rd party Angi. You might just be next in a long line, but I'm not sure that it's undeserved.

As much as I'd be interested in a Vernon lynch I still lean town on him

And no he did NOT give off his incredibly obvious scum tell this time :stern:

Helios Garabandia @ 25/8/2016 21:27

-dr @ 25/8/2016 22:22 Debating... Should I say how much I've been attacked for total each night? Might help down the road. I feel like I've been mostly attacked by scum so they might already have the info. I dunno. THOUGHTS? I personally feel that this information only makes you more of a target. It helps let the scum know how close you are to death...AS WELL AS figure out your role by comparing the damage dealt to all of the starting HPs.

I agree with this. You said you took a significant amount of damage the first time, so everyone knows you are likely a tank player. We can't confirm that mafia is who hit you every time, because I suspect we have a lot of friendly fire going on this game, which means mafia doesn't necessarily know how much you've been hit and thus your role. Better to keep that mystery.

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 7:38

I'm still interested in hearing on the rose - brian thingy.

I've been suspicious of Brian since day 2, but then he claimed he tried to do something to convince me he was town. I never got anything, though. I originally thought something on my end may have disrupted it but I asked and the answer was that it wouldn't have.

I'm not really convinced that this isn't just a ploy set up by the "I think my role is a lie" thing, ala the firefighter claim last game, but I'm willing to hold off on pushing for him for now.

-dr @ 25/8/2016 22:13

Anyway I want to hear thoughts from Dadd, Vladdy, Merc, Wikey, and Odd. Suspect lists and the like. Those are the people I have the least solid read on.

I gave mine yesterday but I'll be updating them for today in a little bit (when I get to the end of the thread).

I do think they we likely have a lot of active townies, a couple active scum, and the rest of the scum are lurking, leaving us to snipe at each other and do their job for them. Of course, it doesn't help when chris screws up his own role.

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 7:45

Helios Garabandia @ 25/8/2016 21:27 -dr @ 25/8/2016 22:22 Debating... Should I say how much I've been attacked for total each night? Might help down the road. I feel like I've been mostly attacked by scum so they might already have the info. I dunno. THOUGHTS? I personally feel that this information only makes you more of a target. It helps let the scum know how close you are to death...AS WELL AS figure out your role by comparing the damage dealt to all of the starting HPs. I agree with this. You said you took a significant amount of damage the first time, so everyone knows you are likely a tank player. We can't confirm that mafia is who hit you every time, because I suspect we have a lot of friendly fire going on this game, which means mafia doesn't necessarily know how much you've been hit and thus your role. Better to keep that mystery.

The other side of this is that it's clear that I somehow survived a heavy attack that would have done in most players in a single night. I've been pretty consistently on town lists so far, aside from Wikey's, so friendly fire seems fairly unlikely. If I have very hit by mostly scum, they already have this information, so I'm not keeping anything from them. I also don't think I'm going to be less of a target if I don't say.

Christian @ 26/8/2016 4:35

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 4:49 I can't believe this only just occurred to me, but we have just been assuming the vote stealer and doublevoter are two separate roles. Whereas in fact they could quite easily be one and the same. Everybody who has flipped thus far has multiple powers. So it stands to reason that there may be a role which includes multiple powers related to manipulating the votes. A votestealer/doublevoter, with who knows what ULT power. Also, before anybody says it, doublevoter CAN be a scum role. It is rare, but it absolutely can. Vote stealer could easily be a scum role too. Did Lamps not flip as the vote canceler? The fact that it appears that two people had their vote canceled at the end of the day is a little weird. thisisbad, did you get a message about it?

I only got a message about it after the day was over

-dr @ 25/8/2016 22:13

The other side of this is that it's clear that I somehow survived a heavy attack that would have done in most players in a single night. I've been pretty consistently on town lists so far, aside from Wikey's, so friendly fire seems fairly unlikely. If I have very hit by mostly scum, they already have this information, so I'm not keeping anything from them. I also don't think I'm going to be less of a target if I don't say.

We did have Angi, but then we'd know how much her attack was for and I'm guessing your amount was more than that based on your statement.

Though I would not discount friendly fire incidents (though hopefully not for the huge amount), you may be right that your first attack at least was scum.

OK, going to sit back, have my morning coffee, and think.

It's possible Angi and someone else attached me N2 but n4's attacker would have to be a separate attacker from the other N2 attacker, so there's still some info to sort out there.

Merc you silenced?

Dadd, thoughts?

Wait nvm I see you were discussing earlier. My mistake. TIMMAH?

Drake @ 25/8/2016 21:04

im317 @ 25/8/2016 20:58 i was attacked yet again, thankfully i was also healed. im still a bit shocked over how Chris could manage to fuck up this much. first he doesn't say anything about running into the mine, which would have confirmed Seb's claim, if not his alignment. then he gets his role ass backwards. that has to be up there with the worst i have ever seen anyone mess up in a single game. So you're def a scum tank and a scum Doctor healed you. He didn't heal you til now since he knew you still had tons of HP. How revealing of you. Would anyone be object to a 317 lynch?

Drake @ 25/8/2016 21:06

im317 @ 25/8/2016 21:02 i need to redo my reads after how the last day ended. i am way less sure of things now. town 7. Oddilus 15. dr 17. Ole Vern 22. im317 unsure 1. Curtis 5. Christian 8. Helios 10. itsbrianyay 12. thisisbad 13. Drake 14. Dadd 16. Timmah 18. Vladykins scum 4. Wikey 20. Mercator Lol yesterday you ranked yourself as number one town spot. Now you're the lowest town spot. You're cute. I'm drunk. But I totally agree Wikey is scum. So now I'm not so sure you're a scum tank. Oh man.

WHAT!?