Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:24

Vlady never speaks in absolutes like this. Hi scum. You make this easy.

I do. You forget all of ATTWS where Harvey pushed every person who popped up surviving an attack and, outside of Dolly, lynched the mafia godfather and two SKs. 3/4 BGs in one game for pushing like that is a nice success rate in my book, cumquat. :P

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:31

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11 Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1 Yes, but what Lamps came in with was "Well, clearly JC was a vig kill" as if presupposing that he was attacked by mafia. Then people started lining up to agree. And if you question that, it is scummy? While there are a number of possibilities for Lamps surviving, the fact that there are so many people who have a firm understanding of what happened last night when there is zero evidence is what seems scummy as hell to me. The only saving grace I see if that I would expect people to be distancing themselves a lot more if they were on the scum team with Lamps, because outside of the GLB game ahoda and company outed their whole mafia team D1 I have never seen ahoda be so obvious.

Again, you know Lamps is scum and that makes me his partner. lol You're not being objective or even thinking there could be other options here. I'm not scum nor do I know if Lamps is scum. To me, the kills don't line up with scum attacks. At this point in time I feel Lamps is town. Don't care if that makes me look scummy. It's my current state of mind. You on the other hand are so dead set on Lamps being bad and anyone thinking otherwise is his "scum partner". Stop it.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:32

Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps.

Mr. Logic- why are you so certain? What information do you have that I don't? It sure isn't based on kill flavor, because we have *none* to rely on. So unless you have outside info you haven't share but that multiple other people appear to have, the obvious direction this day is to push Lamps for more info. You do that by lynching him, not giving him a free pass.

Redster is a big proponent of the "push for info by lynching" but he is also inconsistent this game.

I guess if we only have 2 killers, then Mafia/SK makes more sense than Mafia/Vig

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:37

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:32 Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps. Mr. Logic- why are you so certain? What information do you have that I don't? It sure isn't based on kill flavor, because we have *none* to rely on. So unless you have outside info you haven't share but that multiple other people appear to have, the obvious direction this day is to push Lamps for more info. You do that by lynching him, not giving him a free pass. Redster is a big proponent of the "push for info by lynching" but he is also inconsistent this game.

Go push him. That doesn't make me his scum buddy like you keep saying. Him surviving an attack doesn't automatically make him scum. I don't have any info but what i stated are possibilities that you are ignoring. And color me shocked you are playing flavor.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:36

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:31 Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11 Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1 Yes, but what Lamps came in with was "Well, clearly JC was a vig kill" as if presupposing that he was attacked by mafia. Then people started lining up to agree. And if you question that, it is scummy? While there are a number of possibilities for Lamps surviving, the fact that there are so many people who have a firm understanding of what happened last night when there is zero evidence is what seems scummy as hell to me. The only saving grace I see if that I would expect people to be distancing themselves a lot more if they were on the scum team with Lamps, because outside of the GLB game ahoda and company outed their whole mafia team D1 I have never seen ahoda be so obvious. Again, you know Lamps is scum and that makes me his partner. lol You're not being objective or even thinking there could be other options here. I'm not scum nor do I know if Lamps is scum. To me, the kills don't line up with scum attacks. At this point in time I feel Lamps is town. Don't care if that makes me look scummy. It's my current state of mind. You on the other hand are so dead set on Lamps being bad and anyone thinking otherwise is his "scum partner". Stop it.

I didn't say I KNOW Lamps is scum. But I know that him saying nothing about why he survived and him throwing out in his post that JC was killed by vig (and so clearly Lamps had to be the mafia target) sounds to me like a caught GF trying to find a way to spin his survival and that it bears further pressure to get that info. The fact that you go along with this instead of questioning it *at all* is what has we associating you with him.

Someone give me a gun so I can kill Buffy

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:39

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:37 ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:32 Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps. Mr. Logic- why are you so certain? What information do you have that I don't? It sure isn't based on kill flavor, because we have *none* to rely on. So unless you have outside info you haven't share but that multiple other people appear to have, the obvious direction this day is to push Lamps for more info. You do that by lynching him, not giving him a free pass. Redster is a big proponent of the "push for info by lynching" but he is also inconsistent this game. Go push him. That doesn't make me his scum buddy like you keep saying. Him surviving an attack doesn't automatically make him scum. I don't have any info but what i stated are possibilities that you are ignoring. And color me shocked you are playing flavor.

You automatically buying the vig thing is what links you. As I said earlier, I don't usually see you play this so obviously, which is my only hesitation.

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:40

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:36 vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:31 Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11 Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1 Yes, but what Lamps came in with was "Well, clearly JC was a vig kill" as if presupposing that he was attacked by mafia. Then people started lining up to agree. And if you question that, it is scummy? While there are a number of possibilities for Lamps surviving, the fact that there are so many people who have a firm understanding of what happened last night when there is zero evidence is what seems scummy as hell to me. The only saving grace I see if that I would expect people to be distancing themselves a lot more if they were on the scum team with Lamps, because outside of the GLB game ahoda and company outed their whole mafia team D1 I have never seen ahoda be so obvious. Again, you know Lamps is scum and that makes me his partner. lol You're not being objective or even thinking there could be other options here. I'm not scum nor do I know if Lamps is scum. To me, the kills don't line up with scum attacks. At this point in time I feel Lamps is town. Don't care if that makes me look scummy. It's my current state of mind. You on the other hand are so dead set on Lamps being bad and anyone thinking otherwise is his "scum partner". Stop it. I didn't say I KNOW Lamps is scum. But I know that him saying nothing about why he survived and him throwing out in his post that JC was killed by vig (and so clearly Lamps had to be the mafia target) sounds to me like a caught GF trying to find a way to spin his survival and that it bears further pressure to get that info. The fact that you go along with this instead of questioning it *at all* is what has we associating you with him.

You are pushing like his is 100% scum Vlady. Don't act like you're not. I do question his claim but I tend to fall on the town side right now like I have said from the get go. Pressure him all you want. Lamps will be back and I'm sure he will respond to all the doubters. I'm waiting to hear it. For now I think you are pushing a scum agenda right now so you get my vote.

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 9:03

This is really pretty interesting. In 99.9% of the games over here, when someone survives a kill and there is not an accounted for reason, they get lynched. And about 90% of the time, they flip scum of some fashion. And rarely is there much push back from more than the person who survived and maybe 1-2 others. Contrast to this game, where Lamps survives a kill attempt and has 5-6 people defending him pretty damn hard.

Keep reading this post. Those are some pretty damning statistics.

##unlynch

##lynch Lamps

Unless/Until lamps comes back with more.

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:43

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:39 vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:37 ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:32 Someone could have been role blocked. Multiple kill attempts on Lamps also. I would like to hear more from Lamps but I really think Vig killed JC and scum hit Lamps. Mr. Logic- why are you so certain? What information do you have that I don't? It sure isn't based on kill flavor, because we have *none* to rely on. So unless you have outside info you haven't share but that multiple other people appear to have, the obvious direction this day is to push Lamps for more info. You do that by lynching him, not giving him a free pass. Redster is a big proponent of the "push for info by lynching" but he is also inconsistent this game. Go push him. That doesn't make me his scum buddy like you keep saying. Him surviving an attack doesn't automatically make him scum. I don't have any info but what i stated are possibilities that you are ignoring. And color me shocked you are playing flavor. You automatically buying the vig thing is what links you. As I said earlier, I don't usually see you play this so obviously, which is my only hesitation.

Obvious? Obvious what? Town? Sure I am town. I'm not buying his claim, I'm buying my own personal thoughts. No way in hell would I allow my scum team to kill JC. Nor would I kill JC if I was SK. Don't be stupid. That's like killing Jay N1. It accomplishes nothing. You target someone who might be a threat, ala Lamps.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:45

Obvious? Obvious what? Town? Sure I am town. I'm not buying his claim, I'm buying my own personal thoughts. No way in hell would I allow my scum team to kill JC. Nor would I kill JC if I was SK. Don't be stupid. That's like killing Jay N1. It accomplishes nothing. You target someone who might be a threat, ala Lamps.

WIFOM. "It can't be my scum team, because my scum team would never do that".

Really- that is going to be your argument?

Can't reason with you Vlady. You are too dead set on your path of town destruction. You are the early favorite for the honorary Chris HOL Award.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 9:44

You are pushing like his is 100% scum Vlady. Don't act like you're not. I do question his claim but I tend to fall on the town side right now like I have said from the get go. Pressure him all you want. Lamps will be back and I'm sure he will respond to all the doubters. I'm waiting to hear it. For now I think you are pushing a scum agenda right now so you get my vote.

Of course I think he is scum, like Vinicio, Harry, and Ida were. In my mind, unless he has a pretty damn good defense, I'll be happy to watch him go down. I could be wrong like I was with Dolly, but I don't think I am.

What I find interesting is the people like yourself who are giving him a free pass without any question at all, who just go "Yeah, clearly the JC thing was vig." One person saying that I might buy (especially if that person was the vig softclaiming). But multiple people just buying into that doesn't seem suspicious to you at all, especially given how, as Ti9mmah already pointed out, the attack survivors in these games have almost always been BGs? That's why, in my mind, suddenly flipping seems more suspicious, except for the fact that it is so obvious that I don't want to believe it.