Republicans are really good at making vote against their best interest.

It's crazy.

People are scared of the brown people and terrorists.

Primate @ 19/7/2017 15:20

spindoctor02 @ 19/7/2017 14:18 Primate @ 19/7/2017 15:17 When both candidates are obvious liars and all around horrible human beings, people tend not to bother voting. Which is why horrible human beings keep getting elected. More people actively chose 'No Vote' over any of the official candidates, by a wide margin. Why isn't 'No Vote' currently in the white house? The popular vote has never had any bearing on who sits in the white house, yet that's the vote that most people care about. SMDH

The 'all-or-nothing' elector college system is incredibly out of date, and likely a source of a lot of the issues with voting today.

It makes it so only the 6-10 'battleground' states get any attention at all during an election and the rest are basically ignored.

If a state votes 50.1% to 49.9% for a candidate, is a 10-0 split in elector votes really representative of the will of the people? It's not even close. I know I had a whole system written out, and don't recall if I posted it here or not, but awarding elector college votes proportionally goes a long way (definitely not THE answer) to evening things out a bit.

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Spin's Answer for All Voting Issues (version 0.0.0.0.0.0.1)

Step 1. Keep your silly Electoral College (E.C.)
Step 2. Give 1 E.C. vote to popular winner of state.
Step 3. Award remaining E.C. votes for each state based on results of popular vote.

Example: State A has 11 E.C. votes. Candidate 1 wins 60% to 40% over Candidate 2. Candidate 1 gets 1 E.C. vote for winning, then gets 60% of remaining E.C. votes (in this case 6 of remaining 10). Final result = Candidate 1 = 7 votes, Candidate 2 = 4 votes.

In this system, 3rd party candidates can get some E.C. love if they get enough votes in any state with enough E.C. votes (in example above, a 3rd party candidate would only require 10% of popular vote in State A).

US Presidents hold 1/3 of the power, right? So it's always important to vote.

But voting for change within feels like more important than voting for a leader imo, at least in your case. Although from what it looks like, feels like Republican party is more or less falling in line behind Trump whereas the Democratic Party got some reaching out to do still.

Getting used to Trump being a buffoon everyday and doing weird stuff lol.

I also can't wait what's going to happen with the Russia plotline, seems like it's turning into a right vs left issue.

Mercator @ 19/7/2017 16:25

Republicans are really good at making vote against their best interest. It's crazy.

They should play ORGs

The Trump White House is an ORG tbh.

Spin

If a state votes 50.1% to 49.9% for a candidate, is a 10-0 split in elector votes really representative of the will of the people? It's not even close. I know I had a whole system written out, and don't recall if I posted it here or not, but awarding elector college votes proportionally goes a long way (definitely not THE answer) to evening things out a bit.

6-4 split sounds far more logical if it's state by state.

Igor @ 19/7/2017 15:21

Bitching at the non-voters is stupid and not productive at all. You can blame them until your blue in the face but you're not going to change anything. Rather than looking at the social forces that caused people to not want to vote, or in some cases not able to. Like spin said, what the Republican party has been always good at is keeping their party united and getting their voters out of their cotton farms and into the voting booths.

So what you are saying is that the few people who did vote but voted for Bernie or the Stein or Johnson are the problem, but that we shouldn't blame the people who couldn't be asked to vote at all?

C'mon- now you are just trolling.

Igor you just gotta read up about this stuff some more

Honestly, I don't think Trump being president is necessarily a terrible thing, its definitely making people sit up and pay attention to how broken our election system is in this country.

I think the fact that there are so many young people active in politics and paying attention to the system i think theres a possibility we might be able to burn this whole bitch down and start rebuilding this entire broken clusterfuck.

Also, the fact that Bernie got so many people interested in politics that weren't at all before is a great thing and pushing the blame onto him for Hillary not getting elected doesn't make any sense at all to me.

It'd be like blaming Mike Huckabee for John Mccain not getting elected in 2008

Chris25 @ 19/7/2017 14:18

Honestly, I don't think Trump being president is necessarily a terrible thing, its definitely making people sit up and pay attention to how broken our election system is in this country. I think the fact that there are so many young people active in politics and paying attention to the system i think theres a possibility we might be able to burn this whole bitch down and start rebuilding this entire broken clusterfuck.

I actually somewhat agree with this. It reminds me of something Tim Kaine said back in February, which was, "The Trump Presidency is a 230 year check-up of our constitutional democracy."

As much as this presidency is scary and it sucks, it's making people wake the fuck up.

Maddie @ 19/7/2017 16:22

Chris25 @ 19/7/2017 14:18 Honestly, I don't think Trump being president is necessarily a terrible thing, its definitely making people sit up and pay attention to how broken our election system is in this country. I think the fact that there are so many young people active in politics and paying attention to the system i think theres a possibility we might be able to burn this whole bitch down and start rebuilding this entire broken clusterfuck. I actually somewhat agree with this. It reminds me of something Tim Kaine said back in February, which was, "The Trump Presidency is a 230 year check-up of our constitutional democracy." As much as this presidency is scary and it sucks, it's making people wake the fuck up.

This was Susan Sarandon's opinion of Trump versus Hillary, but the Hillary fans roasted her forever over it.

vladykins @ 19/7/2017 14:27

Maddie @ 19/7/2017 16:22 Chris25 @ 19/7/2017 14:18 Honestly, I don't think Trump being president is necessarily a terrible thing, its definitely making people sit up and pay attention to how broken our election system is in this country. I think the fact that there are so many young people active in politics and paying attention to the system i think theres a possibility we might be able to burn this whole bitch down and start rebuilding this entire broken clusterfuck. I actually somewhat agree with this. It reminds me of something Tim Kaine said back in February, which was, "The Trump Presidency is a 230 year check-up of our constitutional democracy." As much as this presidency is scary and it sucks, it's making people wake the fuck up. This was Susan Sarandon's opinion of Trump versus Hillary, but the Hillary fans roasted her forever over it.

That makes me hate myself.

Despite what I just said, I still don't think this "check on our democracy" is worth all the damage it's going to cause domestically and on the world stage.