Disagree. People had already made up their minds on Hillary and the election showed that is exactly what happened. The final vote had her lose to Trump very similar to how she polled versus Trump at the beginning of the year (the same time when Bernie's polling showed him handily defeating Trump).

Outside of a group of idiots, a lot of folks did not want to vote for Trump. About 2/3s of his voters specifically said they weren't voting for Trump but against Hillary.

Yeah Igor you're wrong

nah u guys are too deep in the bernie circle jerk

Nah, this is poli sci me talking.

Hillary was low on electability and, as I noted, ended much as she polled in early 2016 against Trump. Many people saw Hillary as little more than Republican-lite.

Hillary and the DNC banked on people voting for the "anything but Trump" ticket, ignoring the group of people who were "anything but Hillary" voters. Again, 2/3s of Trump voters were not fans of Trump at all.

I thought poli sci vlady was regular vlady.

No that's policy vlady

Maddie @ 18/7/2017 16:38

I thought poli sci vlady was regular vlady.

Poli sci vlady is when I step back and examine/analyze politics from an observational position, rather than interjecting my own feelings

Mercator @ 18/7/2017 16:57

No that's policy vlady

Policy vlady is when I'm getting paid to analyze something, though I still don't go for a normative analysis.

"Regular vlady" is when I will usually interject my opinions/feelings as well.


So:

Poli Sci vlady might talk on the chances of a Republican health care bill passing the House and Senate within a given period of time, policy vlady might talk about the community benefits provided by hospitals versus the tax revenue forgone by them being tax exempt, while regular vlady is gonna shake his head and say that ACA was a band aid on a sucking chest wound, but the Republican health bills are like ripping the band aid off and then kicking the wound a few times for good measure.

vladykins @ 18/7/2017 14:24

Disagree. People had already made up their minds on Hillary and the election showed that is exactly what happened. The final vote had her lose to Trump very similar to how she polled versus Trump at the beginning of the year (the same time when Bernie's polling showed him handily defeating Trump). Outside of a group of idiots, a lot of folks did not want to vote for Trump. About 2/3s of his voters specifically said they weren't voting for Trump but against Hillary.

What do you disagree with? You don't think Bernie negatively impacted Hillary's chances of getting elected at all? To be fair, some is on the Hillary voters for coining the term Bernie-bros and alienating a shit ton of their voters. You realize Bernie had no negative attack ads on him during primaries? But why are you talking about Hillary here? I'm aware why she lost and don't disagree with this. You're vastly underestimating the amount of fucksocialism votes there are.

Whether or not Bernie ran at all does not change how people felt about Hillary Clinton.

I was a Bernie voter in the primary but voted Hillary in the general. Most people who voted Bernie in the primary but didn't vote for Hillary in the general wouldn't have voted Clinton regardless of who challenged her in a primary.

I disagree, I think he did more of a job of siphoning off voters/making people not want to vote. He built his brand off pretty much bashing Hillary/being the anti-Hillary. Then he gave some half assed endorsement of her at the last minute. I think to say that he didn't divide the party is disingenuous. If Jill Stein/Gary Johnson are responsible for their roles than so is he. Infact, I don't think a lot of the former Bernie voters would have voted for them or they got the traction that they did if it not had been for his campaign. He was the Trump campaign's useful idiot.

nah Igor that isn't correct

Igor @ 18/7/2017 15:39

I disagree, I think he did more of a job of siphoning off voters/making people not want to vote. He built his brand off pretty much bashing Hillary/being the anti-Hillary. Then he gave some half assed endorsement of her at the last minute. I think to say that he didn't divide the party is disingenuous. If Jill Stein/Gary Johnson are responsible for their roles than so is he. Infact, I don't think a lot of the former Bernie voters would have voted for them or they got the traction that they did if it not had been for his campaign. He was the Trump campaign's useful idiot.

He didn't /hardly bash(ed) Hillary?

It was said after Hillary won the primaries that he should have gone hard on her to win?

Bernie didn't divide the party, the DNC did when they shoved Hillary down our throats and refused to accept that she was not the right candidate.

Curtis @ 18/7/2017 18:30

Ariel my pal

Hello, I now just come here to make fun of the US :)