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Post #10606: 11th Dec 2016 11:01 AM 
Damn time to play detective.
I teleported from the bars last night (didn't get arrested this time) but I can't find my wallet!!
I had to have it to get home cuz it has my key inside, I'm assuming I left while my roommate was there cuz he isn't home right now and asked me where I was last night. I hope i didn't get mugged
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Post #10607: 11th Dec 2016 11:02 AM 
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Post #10608: 11th Dec 2016 11:06 AM 
I FOUND I FOUND IT IT WAS IN A PILE OF CLOTHES I STRIPPED OFF WHEN I GOT HOME
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Post #10609: 11th Dec 2016 11:17 AM 
Lucky it didn't end up in the washing machine!
 
   
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Post #10610: 11th Dec 2016 11:20 AM 
Christian @ 11/12/2016 11:41
Herm @ 10/12/2016 19:21
In other news, I recently stumbled upon this gold gem. It's the right kind of weird and crazy.



She might try looking under her cape.

Are all her videos weird like that? It's crazy because as dumb as it was, I didn't want it to end. I was entranced.

Most of her videos are even weirder than that.

And I had the exact same experience, I thought it was dumb as shit but I subscribed and kept watching...for some reason. It's probably a brainwashing program.
 
   
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Post #10611: 11th Dec 2016 12:19 PM 
what the shit
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Post #10612: 11th Dec 2016 12:41 PM 
Wikey @ 11/12/2016 10:28
I think if Christian extremists were as violent as Islamists are today nobody would have any problem calling them terrorists.

Referring to anti abortion shootings, this page contains a list of attacks over the past twenty years or so (Sry I keep linking these articles to prove a point (: I know, I so smart, I know how use wikipedia, but it's handy info)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

Compare that with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

The reason it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to Christian violence and Muslim violence (and any religious violence in general tbh) is because Muslim extremists are far more prolific. Hence they get more attention in the media.


Except abortion shooting is just one example. I can put a bunch. The Dylann Roof black church shooting won't show up on that list. Neither will anti-gay killings. Or a host of other things. Yet they are always a "lone individual" or "mentally unstable" individual. But Muslim shooter is terrorist, even when he is a lone individual.

As I hear from gun nuts all the time: there are over a billion Muslims in the world. If they were as violent a religion as people portray, we'd have been rolled over long ago.
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Post #10613: 11th Dec 2016 1:01 PM 
This conversation about extremism juxtaposed with this Poppy video is a lot right now.
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Post #10614: 11th Dec 2016 1:31 PM 
I wouldn't have it any other way
 
   
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Post #10615: 11th Dec 2016 2:45 PM 
vladykins @ 11/12/2016 13:41
Wikey @ 11/12/2016 10:28
I think if Christian extremists were as violent as Islamists are today nobody would have any problem calling them terrorists.

Referring to anti abortion shootings, this page contains a list of attacks over the past twenty years or so (Sry I keep linking these articles to prove a point (: I know, I so smart, I know how use wikipedia, but it's handy info)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

Compare that with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

The reason it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to Christian violence and Muslim violence (and any religious violence in general tbh) is because Muslim extremists are far more prolific. Hence they get more attention in the media.


Except abortion shooting is just one example. I can put a bunch. The Dylann Roof black church shooting won't show up on that list. Neither will anti-gay killings. Or a host of other things. Yet they are always a "lone individual" or "mentally unstable" individual. But Muslim shooter is terrorist, even when he is a lone individual.

As I hear from gun nuts all the time: there are over a billion Muslims in the world. If they were as violent a religion as people portray, we'd have been rolled over long ago.

There is an Islamic terrorist attack somewhere in the world on almost a weekly basis. And they are often linked with highly organised extremists groups. I don't see how that can compare with sporadic incidents like the Dylan Roof shooting, which can only be made to seem like Christian terror at a push.

Are there any radical Christian groups which organize terror against the West?

I think it's hard to deny there is a problem within Islam. When cartoonists can get shot in Western countries for drawing Muhammad, that's a problem. When filmmakers can get stabbed in Denmark simply for criticizing the treatment of women in Islam, that's a problem. And this seems to have been a thing that has steadily gotten worse since the fatwa on Salman Rushdie back in the 90s...for publishing a book which featured Muhammad :\ He lived in Britain at the time, and he had to go into hiding because some twat in Iran was offended by his book.

And Western countries have it easy. Islamic fundamentalism is far more rife in the Muslim countries themselves. By the way, I'm not saying every Muslim is a violent fundamentalist. Of course they aren't.

I would say that with some incidents involving Muslims we can jump the gun now and again. For example, was the pulse shooter a terrorist, or a lone maniac? He declared allegiance to ISIS before the shooting, but IIRC there is no evidence that he had a direct connection with them. Difficult.

I think overall, Christian extremism is really incomparable to Islamic extremism. Christianity was forced to reform, and the extremists have long been pushed to the fringes and have lost any power they once had. I don't think the same can be said for Islam. And I think it needs a similar reformation.

Anyway, this is a discussion that would probably have been better to have had in the Religion thread (: It's funny how we got from Tomi Lahren and BLM to Islam. I couldn't stop sperging out I guess ;)

I said a few posts back I like having these conversations and I do, but I am also kind of an idiot, and there are smarter people than me who talk about this stuff and argue it far better. If yall haven't heard of these people, check out Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris. They both have great content covering this topic, but the former is particularly interesting, given that he is a former radical himself.
 
   
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Post #10616: 11th Dec 2016 3:12 PM 
Maajid Nawaz is actually quite controversial in the radicalization scholarship community. I would Shiraz Maher (also a former radical--a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir) and Dr. Peter Neumann, probably THE leading scholar in this area (I'm slightly biased, though, because he was my dissertation advisor). J.M. Berger is another I'd definitely suggest, and probably my favorite scholar on the subject. He's very realistic and to the point.

If you're interested in lone wolf terrorism specifically, Paul Gill of UCL provides the best analysis, in my opinion. Super fascinating studies.

Edit: Also Canadian Mubin Shaikh and Jessica Stern.
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Post #10617: 11th Dec 2016 3:16 PM 
I come to the boolshit thread to laugh and get updates on grim's life, not to realize how ignorant I am :(
 
   
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Post #10618: 11th Dec 2016 3:34 PM 
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Wikey @ 11/12/2016 11:45
vladykins @ 11/12/2016 13:41
Wikey @ 11/12/2016 10:28
I think if Christian extremists were as violent as Islamists are today nobody would have any problem calling them terrorists.

Referring to anti abortion shootings, this page contains a list of attacks over the past twenty years or so (Sry I keep linking these articles to prove a point (: I know, I so smart, I know how use wikipedia, but it's handy info)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

Compare that with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

The reason it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to Christian violence and Muslim violence (and any religious violence in general tbh) is because Muslim extremists are far more prolific. Hence they get more attention in the media.


Except abortion shooting is just one example. I can put a bunch. The Dylann Roof black church shooting won't show up on that list. Neither will anti-gay killings. Or a host of other things. Yet they are always a "lone individual" or "mentally unstable" individual. But Muslim shooter is terrorist, even when he is a lone individual.

As I hear from gun nuts all the time: there are over a billion Muslims in the world. If they were as violent a religion as people portray, we'd have been rolled over long ago.

There is an Islamic terrorist attack somewhere in the world on almost a weekly basis. And they are often linked with highly organised extremists groups. I don't see how that can compare with sporadic incidents like the Dylan Roof shooting, which can only be made to seem like Christian terror at a push.

Are there any radical Christian groups which organize terror against the West?

I think it's hard to deny there is a problem within Islam. When cartoonists can get shot in Western countries for drawing Muhammad, that's a problem. When filmmakers can get stabbed in Denmark simply for criticizing the treatment of women in Islam, that's a problem. And this seems to have been a thing that has steadily gotten worse since the fatwa on Salman Rushdie back in the 90s...for publishing a book which featured Muhammad :\ He lived in Britain at the time, and he had to go into hiding because some twat in Iran was offended by his book.

And Western countries have it easy. Islamic fundamentalism is far more rife in the Muslim countries themselves. By the way, I'm not saying every Muslim is a violent fundamentalist. Of course they aren't.

I would say that with some incidents involving Muslims we can jump the gun now and again. For example, was the pulse shooter a terrorist, or a lone maniac? He declared allegiance to ISIS before the shooting, but IIRC there is no evidence that he had a direct connection with them. Difficult.

I think overall, Christian extremism is really incomparable to Islamic extremism. Christianity was forced to reform, and the extremists have long been pushed to the fringes and have lost any power they once had. I don't think the same can be said for Islam. And I think it needs a similar reformation.

Anyway, this is a discussion that would probably have been better to have had in the Religion thread (: It's funny how we got from Tomi Lahren and BLM to Islam. I couldn't stop sperging out I guess ;)

I said a few posts back I like having these conversations and I do, but I am also kind of an idiot, and there are smarter people than me who talk about this stuff and argue it far better. If yall haven't heard of these people, check out Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris. They both have great content covering this topic, but the former is particularly interesting, given that he is a former radical himself.

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Post #10619: 11th Dec 2016 4:14 PM 
When I sperged all over the keyboard. I explained this!

Also, I didn't start this (:
 
   
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Post #10620: 11th Dec 2016 4:38 PM 
Oh Mal,

Why did Curtis have to run you off.
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