I'm not saying racism is non existant obviously, I just don't think it is widespread over here. Nor do I think we have an institutional problem with racism in the police force. It would take some drastic evidence to suggest otherwise to me.
So in the U.S., I think that's the problem people have with those who say they're "colorblind" or "don't see race," because in many cases, like with Tom Lahren, that's another word for saying "I don't see institutional racism" and even that there shouldn't be affirmative action programs to try to even the playing field, or refusing to acknowledge institutional racism in the penal system. Lahren's dismissal of BLM as a radical group on par with the KKK (which is insane for many reasons, IMO) is an example of this.
As a society I don't think we have the luxury of being colorblind until institutional discrimination no longer exists, which sometimes seems impossible in America.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and a couple weeks ago we had an instance of someone in two different local high schools in my liberal part of the East Bay write "white" and "colored" above the water fountains. The community was mortified, mostly because racism in this country seems to be so subconscious--seeing it that overtly shook a lot of people up. The U.S. has come a long way but also has a long way to go.
Regarding Lahren, does she literally use "I don't see race" as an argument against institutional racism and affirmative action, or is that something she has said to defend herself against accusations of racism? Does she make any actual arguments against these things? It's hard for me to judge her saying that without any context. Maybe I should watch/read some of her stuff to get a better idea. Maybe I'll find it as awful as you guys have made out. I do agree the KKK comment is silly...sounds like it was deliberately provocative in order to garner views. Which has the air of a certain someone in the UK who you may also have heard of when you was over here ;) She writes for the Daily Mail on a regular basis. Do u kno who I'm talking about?
Whilst on the subject, is Bleach Blonde Republican a stereotype or is it just me?
I'm not saying racism is non existant obviously, I just don't think it is widespread over here. Nor do I think we have an institutional problem with racism in the police force. It would take some drastic evidence to suggest otherwise to me.
So in the U.S., I think that's the problem people have with those who say they're "colorblind" or "don't see race," because in many cases, like with Tom Lahren, that's another word for saying "I don't see institutional racism" and even that there shouldn't be affirmative action programs to try to even the playing field, or refusing to acknowledge institutional racism in the penal system. Lahren's dismissal of BLM as a radical group on par with the KKK (which is insane for many reasons, IMO) is an example of this.
As a society I don't think we have the luxury of being colorblind until institutional discrimination no longer exists, which sometimes seems impossible in America.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and a couple weeks ago we had an instance of someone in two different local high schools in my liberal part of the East Bay write "white" and "colored" above the water fountains. The community was mortified, mostly because racism in this country seems to be so subconscious--seeing it that overtly shook a lot of people up. The U.S. has come a long way but also has a long way to go.
Regarding Lahren, does she literally use "I don't see race" as an argument against institutional racism and affirmative action, or is that something she has said to defend herself against accusations of racism? Does she make any actual arguments against these things? It's hard for me to judge her saying that without any context. Maybe I should watch/read some of her stuff to get a better idea. Maybe I'll find it as awful as you guys have made out. I do agree the KKK comment is silly...sounds like it was deliberately provocative in order to garner views. Which has the air of a certain someone in the UK who you may also have heard of when you was over here ;) She writes for the Daily Mail on a regular basis. Do u kno who I'm talking about?
Whilst on the subject, is Bleach Blonde Republican a stereotype or is it just me?
Good luck getting through this, it's...rough.
And I'm afraid I don't know which journalist, or at least can't think of her name right now--the only time I really read the Daily Mail was when I worked for an MPs office and we would read their most ridiculous articles allowed on our lunch break lol.
I think it's a stereotype...lol but I refer to them as "The Fox News Blondes."
Also while on the subject of discourse/talking to people who disagree with you--this piece by linguist George Lakoff is really, really good. We had to read it for my Rhetoric and Politics class sophomore year of college. It's a bit long, but really interesting.
I'm not saying racism is non existant obviously, I just don't think it is widespread over here. Nor do I think we have an institutional problem with racism in the police force. It would take some drastic evidence to suggest otherwise to me.
So in the U.S., I think that's the problem people have with those who say they're "colorblind" or "don't see race," because in many cases, like with Tom Lahren, that's another word for saying "I don't see institutional racism" and even that there shouldn't be affirmative action programs to try to even the playing field, or refusing to acknowledge institutional racism in the penal system. Lahren's dismissal of BLM as a radical group on par with the KKK (which is insane for many reasons, IMO) is an example of this.
As a society I don't think we have the luxury of being colorblind until institutional discrimination no longer exists, which sometimes seems impossible in America.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and a couple weeks ago we had an instance of someone in two different local high schools in my liberal part of the East Bay write "white" and "colored" above the water fountains. The community was mortified, mostly because racism in this country seems to be so subconscious--seeing it that overtly shook a lot of people up. The U.S. has come a long way but also has a long way to go.
For what it's worth, I didn't see or read any of the things I dislike on them in right wing media. It's too dishonest to get an accurate picture.
I wouldn't say their demands are reasonable. Reparations for colonialism for example? Silly.
Would any of you consider DeRay Mckesson a reasonable voice within BLM? Or would this be one of the people you would classify as one of the extremists in the minority? Because I've seen an interview with him and he sounded like a complete lunatic.
Another thing which bothers me about them is that they suddenly sprouted up in the UK. They don't have any justifiable reason to be here. I don't know if BLM have distanced themselves from the movement in the UK or not, but if they haven't that would be :\
Minority fringe group within BLM. The majority are about being treated equally by cops. For example, the white guy who shot his gun in Comet Ping Pong Pizza here in DC the other day- taken in without a problem. If he'd been an unarmed black man, he'd have been dead, despite this being "Chocolate City". In addition, this guy was never once called a "terrorist" by the media, but would have been if he'd been an arab.
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
I do agree it's a minority btw, but extreme minorities often tend to exert a disproportionate amount of influence. It would help if the reasonable people in these movements condemned the radicals more.
I hear this all the time about terrorist attacks, yet it is Muslim groups who are the first to condemn. But it gets ignored because it doesn't fit people's preconceived notions.
For example, I'd like to see all white people immediately bring the KKK to heel. When's that gonna happen? Why haven't white people stopped them? Why aren't Xians on the whole condemning abortion clinic shooters? Why are they labeled "mentally ill individuals" while a similar Muslim doing a similar thing is immediately a terrorist?
This is the problem orgs like BLM are fighting against. Not "reparations for slavery", though there will always be the whackos like that.
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
I don't understand how someone saying they don't see race should be considered offensive. Ain't that what MLK wanted? I think it's a very idealistic thing to say and I don't think it helps the conversation about problems that perhaps still remain, but fheh. I can't get outraged about that.
I've done a bit of reading on Tomi Lahren. Apparently she did compare BLM to the KKK which is a bit (: Statements like that are bound to generate controversy.
This might not be a popular opinion but I don't like BLM going by what I have seen and read. However, comparing them to the KKK is silly. But I haven't seen anything by Lahren that would leave me thinking she is vile as of yet!
Also, @Chris I think it's fair to say there hasn't been a better time to be alive full stop, regardless of sex and race.
BLM is given a lot of shit by right wing media. It's not a bad org, it's not a black-power org by the slightest, and while some outspoken folks in that organization are idiots does not mean the whole org is full of them. It's kind of like knocking all feminists saying they want to rule over men because there are a couple who say shit like that, when most feminists just want *equal* treatment.
Are you trying to say that ALL lives matter?
All Lives Matter is a cop out. It's a way to say "Hey, it's not my fault!" when you don't do anything to change the matter. It's also like going to a Breast Cancer Walk and say "But what about all other causes of death. Don't you care about those?" Of course that isn't the point- but it is a breast cancer walk- that's what it is focused on. Trying to shift the focus to all types of death just makes you look like what you are when you say that: an asshole with no clue and no real cares.
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
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