I don't understand how someone saying they don't see race should be considered offensive. Ain't that what MLK wanted? I think it's a very idealistic thing to say and I don't think it helps the conversation about problems that perhaps still remain, but fheh. I can't get outraged about that.
I've done a bit of reading on Tomi Lahren. Apparently she did compare BLM to the KKK which is a bit (: Statements like that are bound to generate controversy.
This might not be a popular opinion but I don't like BLM going by what I have seen and read. However, comparing them to the KKK is silly. But I haven't seen anything by Lahren that would leave me thinking she is vile as of yet!
Also, @Chris I think it's fair to say there hasn't been a better time to be alive full stop, regardless of sex and race.
It's idealistic to not make presumptions based on race, I think everyone does that to some extent (it's natural to make presumptions about someone based on their looks, clothes, etc.), so everyone is at least a little racists, even if they consider themselves not to be.
I don't understand how someone saying they don't see race should be considered offensive. Ain't that what MLK wanted? I think it's a very idealistic thing to say and I don't think it helps the conversation about problems that perhaps still remain, but fheh. I can't get outraged about that.
I've done a bit of reading on Tomi Lahren. Apparently she did compare BLM to the KKK which is a bit (: Statements like that are bound to generate controversy.
This might not be a popular opinion but I don't like BLM going by what I have seen and read. However, comparing them to the KKK is silly. But I haven't seen anything by Lahren that would leave me thinking she is vile as of yet!
Also, @Chris I think it's fair to say there hasn't been a better time to be alive full stop, regardless of sex and race.
BLM is given a lot of shit by right wing media. It's not a bad org, it's not a black-power org by the slightest, and while some outspoken folks in that organization are idiots does not mean the whole org is full of them. It's kind of like knocking all feminists saying they want to rule over men because there are a couple who say shit like that, when most feminists just want *equal* treatment.
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
I don't understand how someone saying they don't see race should be considered offensive. Ain't that what MLK wanted? I think it's a very idealistic thing to say and I don't think it helps the conversation about problems that perhaps still remain, but fheh. I can't get outraged about that.
I've done a bit of reading on Tomi Lahren. Apparently she did compare BLM to the KKK which is a bit (: Statements like that are bound to generate controversy.
This might not be a popular opinion but I don't like BLM going by what I have seen and read. However, comparing them to the KKK is silly. But I haven't seen anything by Lahren that would leave me thinking she is vile as of yet!
Also, @Chris I think it's fair to say there hasn't been a better time to be alive full stop, regardless of sex and race.
BLM is given a lot of shit by right wing media. It's not a bad org, it's not a black-power org by the slightest, and while some outspoken folks in that organization are idiots does not mean the whole org is full of them. It's kind of like knocking all feminists saying they want to rule over men because there are a couple who say shit like that, when most feminists just want *equal* treatment.
It's actually exactly like that, "feminists" who just hate men and "BLM activists" who just hate white people just hurt those movements and in no way represent the whole, but they sure make good headlines!
For what it's worth, I didn't see or read any of the things I dislike on them in right wing media. It's too dishonest to get an accurate picture.
I wouldn't say their demands are reasonable. Reparations for colonialism for example? Silly.
Would any of you consider DeRay Mckesson a reasonable voice within BLM? Or would this be one of the people you would classify as one of the extremists in the minority? Because I've seen an interview with him and he sounded like a complete lunatic.
Another thing which bothers me about them is that they suddenly sprouted up in the UK. They don't have any justifiable reason to be here. I don't know if BLM have distanced themselves from the movement in the UK or not, but if they haven't that would be :\
I do agree it's a minority btw, but extreme minorities often tend to exert a disproportionate amount of influence. It would help if the reasonable people in these movements condemned the radicals more.
Wikey are their stats to support black and Muslim men being racially profiled by police in the UK? I'm genuinely curious because when I was in London I never really heard much of an outcry about it, and I lived in South London.
I did share an Uber with a black Londoner once who made a comment about how it's different for him walking around alone at night, but people seem to be less vocal over there, just from my observations. That's London, though. I don't know what it's like up north.
IIRC, a claim was made by BLM UK that something like 1500 black people and other minorities had died in police custody since 1990, but that claim manipulated the stats and was proved to be false.
I don't know the full details since it was a while back, I'd have to look it up again. If I can find it Ill link it!
Regarding your experience with the uber driver, I'm not sure what to make of that. I haven't been to London since I was a kid. Do you know what he meant by 'different' when he talked about walking around at night? Seems a bit of a vague comment.
But London is a cosmopolitan city, very multicultural. The country in general is, but it's very much so down South. I have a hard time buying that we have a widespread problem with racism over here. I remember a few years ago the leader of the British Nationalist Party demonstrated himself to be a massive racist in an interview, after which he and his party were laughed off the political scene.
I don't understand how someone saying they don't see race should be considered offensive. Ain't that what MLK wanted? I think it's a very idealistic thing to say and I don't think it helps the conversation about problems that perhaps still remain, but fheh. I can't get outraged about that.
I've done a bit of reading on Tomi Lahren. Apparently she did compare BLM to the KKK which is a bit (: Statements like that are bound to generate controversy.
This might not be a popular opinion but I don't like BLM going by what I have seen and read. However, comparing them to the KKK is silly. But I haven't seen anything by Lahren that would leave me thinking she is vile as of yet!
Also, @Chris I think it's fair to say there hasn't been a better time to be alive full stop, regardless of sex and race.
BLM is given a lot of shit by right wing media. It's not a bad org, it's not a black-power org by the slightest, and while some outspoken folks in that organization are idiots does not mean the whole org is full of them. It's kind of like knocking all feminists saying they want to rule over men because there are a couple who say shit like that, when most feminists just want *equal* treatment.
Regarding your experience with the uber driver, I'm not sure what to make of that. I haven't been to London since I was a kid. Do you know what he meant by 'different' when he talked about walking around at night? Seems a bit of a vague comment.
He was actually a passenger in an Uber pool with me. He was a South London native showing a friend around (who was a black woman from Brooklyn). I think we were talking about men walking behind women at night, and he was mentioning how it's worse for him walking behind a woman at night as a black man, but also if he's alone at night around cops or something. I don't really know, but it was the first I had ever actually heard someone really mention unequal treatment and law enforcement when I was living in London.
And lol while we're on the subject of UK racism, please tell me you've seen this classic Nick Griffin cooking video.
Ahh, I dunno, going by what you say it sounds like he had more of a vague feeling of prejudice rather than an example of genuine discrimination.
I'm not saying racism is non existant obviously, I just don't think it is widespread over here. Nor do I think we have an institutional problem with racism in the police force. It would take some drastic evidence to suggest otherwise to me.
Our police are ridiculously polite.
For example, the police once picked me up for drunkenly attempting to hitchhike on the motorway. Instead of arresting me, they gave me a lift home!
Also, TY for the Nick Griffin vid. I hadn't seen it until now
I'm not saying racism is non existant obviously, I just don't think it is widespread over here. Nor do I think we have an institutional problem with racism in the police force. It would take some drastic evidence to suggest otherwise to me.
So in the U.S., I think that's the problem people have with those who say they're "colorblind" or "don't see race," because in many cases, like with Tom Lahren, that's another word for saying "I don't see institutional racism" and even that there shouldn't be affirmative action programs to try to even the playing field, or refusing to acknowledge institutional racism in the penal system. Lahren's dismissal of BLM as a radical group on par with the KKK (which is insane for many reasons, IMO) is an example of this.
As a society I don't think we have the luxury of being colorblind until institutional discrimination no longer exists, which sometimes seems impossible in America.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and a couple weeks ago we had an instance of someone in two different local high schools in my liberal part of the East Bay write "white" and "colored" above the water fountains. The community was mortified, mostly because racism in this country seems to be so subconscious--seeing it that overtly shook a lot of people up. The U.S. has come a long way but also has a long way to go.
The funny thing about extremists, racists etc is that no one sees themselves as one, yet they seem to be all over the place.
It's kind of a weird thing to me.
Ya, I agree. I think a lot of that is to do with people not talking to people who disagree with them enough, and instead surrounding themselves with like minded people. When everyone around you is saying the exact same thing, anything can sound reasonable.
Which is why I quite like having these conversations here on FE when they flare up now and then, even though it may not be the best place for it ;) I like having my views challenged
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