ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:10

BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 14:01 ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 11:59 I agree with Badger that keeping me alive at this point is a detriment and me getting lynched provides the town a lot of info. That said, I am town, and I'd rather not get mislynched because that just helps scum out by giving them effectively an extra kill. I think odd night vig should just shoot me tonight. But please don't lynch me. I tbought you clarified yesterday that your ability triggers on both lynches and kills? Yeah it does. Sorry I wasn't clear, basically I'm saying y'all should lynch someone else and then just let the vig take care of me tonight. Either way my role is going to trigger, but at least if we lynch someone else today we might hit scum, whereas lynching me is just gonna be a ML.

And this is why I can't figure out why you're still alive

Anyone lynching me is fake. Fuck you

I can see the logic in the Zach lynch based on his reactions and vibes, but we are at 17 right now.

1 @ 3P and 2 @ Maf dead so far.
I'm thinking 5-6 AT left unless team chaos is a recruiting faction.

vladykins @ 25/5/2017 14:55

Based on what you claimed, mafia get an additional free night either way. If you are lying and mafia, exposing our vig is not a good idea. If you are what you say, mafia get two nights either way, so i see no advantage in waiting until night.

Mafia gets a free additional night either way, yes, but if we lynch scum today it'll at least somewhat offset the extra day they get.

Lynching me today 100% results in a mislynch and scum getting an extra night. The only way lynching me could be advantageous is that it allows the vig to kill someone else, but there's no guarantee he hits scum.

Also I don't see how the vig killing me exposes him??

Angi @ 25/5/2017 13:59

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:10 BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 14:01 ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 11:59 I agree with Badger that keeping me alive at this point is a detriment and me getting lynched provides the town a lot of info. That said, I am town, and I'd rather not get mislynched because that just helps scum out by giving them effectively an extra kill. I think odd night vig should just shoot me tonight. But please don't lynch me. I tbought you clarified yesterday that your ability triggers on both lynches and kills? Yeah it does. Sorry I wasn't clear, basically I'm saying y'all should lynch someone else and then just let the vig take care of me tonight. Either way my role is going to trigger, but at least if we lynch someone else today we might hit scum, whereas lynching me is just gonna be a ML. And this is why I can't figure out why you're still alive

Because the longer he stays alive, the better it is for scum. They can make far better use of their extra night phase once more information is out there about the town power roles. Also, Princess is an amazing tool for scum if they are still alive in the end game - around at final 8 or further, an extra night phase is often all it would take for scum to win the game.

That, or he could just be making the role up and is actually maf (in which case they obvy wouldn't kill him). IDK.

Angi @ 25/5/2017 14:59

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:10 BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 14:01 ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 11:59 I agree with Badger that keeping me alive at this point is a detriment and me getting lynched provides the town a lot of info. That said, I am town, and I'd rather not get mislynched because that just helps scum out by giving them effectively an extra kill. I think odd night vig should just shoot me tonight. But please don't lynch me. I tbought you clarified yesterday that your ability triggers on both lynches and kills? Yeah it does. Sorry I wasn't clear, basically I'm saying y'all should lynch someone else and then just let the vig take care of me tonight. Either way my role is going to trigger, but at least if we lynch someone else today we might hit scum, whereas lynching me is just gonna be a ML. And this is why I can't figure out why you're still alive

I'm probably alive because scum predicted I'd get lynched today, so why bother?

Or, like badger said, offing me is more advantageous later vs now.

And again, I totally understand if I'm lynched today since my role is inherently anti-town. But I'd rather aim for scum today.

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 13:11

That said, if y'all want to just lynch me today and get it over with, I agree that that's also going to yield some info and be a net positive to the town probably. But I think lynching someone else could get the town more information and still result in #PrincessGate being resolved.

I'm sorry for pushing so hard for your lynch, because I genuinely do enjoy playing with you (even now, when I'm suspicious of you, you're still pleasant to chat with). But I really think town has to lynch you, because Princess is a really bad role for town if you're telling the truth. And if you're note telling the truth, well then my reasons should be obvious :P.

Mercator @ 25/5/2017 13:32

BadgerMcBeaver @ 24/5/2017 22:38 Mercator @ 24/5/2017 21:15 "The following message had been broadcast to the town: That was just horrible. What are you people even doing here?" Am I really the only one that thinks that a town journalist with an investigative power wouldn't have said something else, cleared some town or accused someone else by now? This is the ridiculous. How can you of all people be complaining about a lack of investigation results when not only did they announce scum in the previous day, but you ignored that information and instead went for the person you had a hunch was sending the message in the first place. This is the second time that you've come off as attempting to bait the person into outing themselves, which is also super scummy. My avatar has never been more appropriate. I didn't ignore it, I did a 180 on it after I realized it wasn't from the person I originally thought it was from, and instead thought it was from who I thought was one of the scummiest people so far. How can you still think it's legit? That message today just reeks of scum, not a town journalist?

We don't have any reason NOT to think it's legit because when we tried to test it, you started a last min train on Maddie based on your personal hunch and a bunch of people hopped on. It definitely came off as an attempt to save a strong scum role, at least to me. And it also prevented us from getting any sort of confirmation on the message sender that you're currently trying to discredit.

Also, your reason for doing a 180 makes no sense. The messenger gave us definitive information that could prove them as correct or incorrect for future days, but you decide to distrust them because they have similar linguistic tendencies to Maddie, and then lynch her based on this assumption when she isn't here and is unable to defend herself. All of this, when we have someone who has been publicly accused as a scum member (with an unlikely claim) and multiple inactives that haven't posted in days to choose from (while Maddie herself has been very active this game).

With the amount of mental gymnastics Merc is doing to try and get this reporter role to be distrusted (and yesterday he tried to directly lynch them), I'm thinking he may have been on that Chaos team with Spin or something. Maybe they are a group of lynchers whose targets were all different? And that is how they create chaos?

BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 15:11

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 13:11 That said, if y'all want to just lynch me today and get it over with, I agree that that's also going to yield some info and be a net positive to the town probably. But I think lynching someone else could get the town more information and still result in #PrincessGate being resolved. I'm sorry for pushing so hard for your lynch, because I genuinely do enjoy playing with you (even now, when I'm suspicious of you, you're still pleasant to chat with). But I really think town has to lynch you, because Princess is a really bad role for town if you're telling the truth. And if you're note telling the truth, well then my reasons should be obvious :P.

I get it and I still love you mom <3

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:07

vladykins @ 25/5/2017 14:55 Based on what you claimed, mafia get an additional free night either way. If you are lying and mafia, exposing our vig is not a good idea. If you are what you say, mafia get two nights either way, so i see no advantage in waiting until night. Mafia gets a free additional night either way, yes, but if we lynch scum today it'll at least somewhat offset the extra day they get. Lynching me today 100% results in a mislynch and scum getting an extra night. The only way lynching me could be advantageous is that it allows the vig to kill someone else, but there's no guarantee he hits scum. Also I don't see how the vig killing me exposes him??

Mafia tracker flipped. You dismissing the possibility of mafia watcher because you feel it is OP seems scummy to me. We've lost even night vig and if mafia has watcher, they'll know odd night vig *and* if you are truly princess, they'll have another night to freely take him out without town having the ability to counter it. Vig is a danger to mafia so they would love an obvious opportunity to spot him or her.

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With the amount of mental gymnastics Merc is doing to try and get this reporter role to be distrusted (and yesterday he tried to directly lynch them), I'm thinking he may have been on that Chaos team with Spin or something. Maybe they are a group of lynchers whose targets were all different? And that is how they create chaos?

Is it possible that the lynchers only know what roles they have to lynch instead of players? If so this theory makes a lot of sense

I get your logic vlady. I still think a watcher is unlikely but maybe it's not worth the risk.

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:36

Quote With the amount of mental gymnastics Merc is doing to try and get this reporter role to be distrusted (and yesterday he tried to directly lynch them), I'm thinking he may have been on that Chaos team with Spin or something. Maybe they are a group of lynchers whose targets were all different? And that is how they create chaos? Is it possible that the lynchers only know what roles they have to lynch instead of players? If so this theory makes a lot of sense

It's definitely possible. In Spin's flip, it says he has an action but that it's redacted (which I assume means we learn about it at the end of the game?). This information was probably withheld from us for balance purposes, which makes me think they could have contained information pertaining to certain roles existing in the game. Hosts probably didn't want to repeat the scenario where a player gets outed by role information that pops up as hidden text in a flip.

Perhaps each of them has a certain role that they lynch and their night action involves searching for that person? If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a combination of mafia and town targets.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 25/5/2017 14:45

ZacharyB @ 25/5/2017 14:36 Quote With the amount of mental gymnastics Merc is doing to try and get this reporter role to be distrusted (and yesterday he tried to directly lynch them), I'm thinking he may have been on that Chaos team with Spin or something. Maybe they are a group of lynchers whose targets were all different? And that is how they create chaos? Is it possible that the lynchers only know what roles they have to lynch instead of players? If so this theory makes a lot of sense It's definitely possible. In Spin's flip, it says he has an action but that it's redacted (which I assume means we learn about it at the end of the game?). This information was probably withheld from us for balance purposes, which makes me think they could have contained information pertaining to certain roles existing in the game. Hosts probably didn't want to repeat the scenario where a player gets outed by role information that pops up as hidden text in a flip. Perhaps each of them has a certain role that they lynch and their night action involves searching for that person? If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a combination of mafia and town targets.

Damn, this is the type of crazy theory I normally come up with. Color me impressed. :)