I will most likely not be around tomorrow until after the day is over as I just remembered that I'm traveling to my parents' house once I get out of work tomorrow. I'm sorry I haven't been around quite as much since the week started, I just started a new job so it has taken some getting used to.

I'll try and summarize some of my thoughts that formed my list. Some may be lacking specifics as it's pretty late, but I wanted to get this up since I haven't been around much lately and won't be around much tomorrow either.

As for town reads, I tend to believe rose (probably my strongest town read). I feel like Helios has gotten some unnecessary heat for simply trying to figure things out and feel like he's just doing his part trying to help town. Timmah and Christian I'm less sure about but I get the same feeling from them for the most part. They seem to have town's best interests in mind.

Undecided section, I used to lean town for Vern but lately he's been creeping down on my list - kind of seems like since everyone takes him for town now he's pretty quick to call scum on people without much reason for it. The rest of the people in this section I either haven't seen enough to make a good guess (brian, thisisbad) or I just plain have no idea (Curtis, Vlady).

I'm really not sure whether or not to believe 317's claims about being attacked every day but I had my suspicions about him before and he jumped on both Sab and Chris's lynch trains pretty eagerly and fairly late. I don't like how much Dadd has been lurking and when he does post it seems like it is only so he can stir something up. Merc's much the same way - a few days of lurking and he only really posts to get a vote in.

I think Wikey is scum for reasons explained before - prolonged inactivity and lurking combined with that strange exchange yesterday. I'm fairly convinced that Drake's "i'm a noob" posts are an act (After all, I'm new to this as well) and that his feud with Wikey is as well, and that they're really two scum trying to put distance between each other.

Fuck yeah

So, I speak up immediately about getting attacked by a day kill attempt, which took away 250HP from me, and that somehow makes me scummy? Makes sense!

I was Ahoda's biggest defender, probably the only one who put him in their 100% town category from Day 2 onward.

I also called out how the Chris lynch was stupid yesterday. Granted, it was after the fact. And I also had a momentary doubt before he finally flipped. His post about avenging him I thought could have been sarcasm initially.

The only thing you could call me out on was posting after the deadline had passed. And that isn't a scummy thing to do, it just isn't an acceptable thing to do, particularly when outing important info as I did. And normally, I would not post after deadline, but I wasn't aware the day was over in my initial posts. And once I was aware, it didn't matter cause I was a bit drunk and felt like messing around.

So, I would like to see some actual points raised against me that are actually scummy, because all I'm seeing right now are very vague accusations with no merit. Oddilus, you said you think I would have made my claims yesterday in a different way if I was town. Elaborate.

Christian, thus far all you have said is you didn't like that shit at the end of the day. That's nice and vague too. Give me solid reasoning please.

Oddilus @ 26/8/2016 0:49

I'm fairly convinced that Drake's "i'm a noob" posts are an act (After all, I'm new to this as well) and that his feud with Wikey is as well, and that they're really two scum trying to put distance between each other.

Wait a minute, what feud?

I'm suspicious of:

Drake - Every day he posts something outrageously scummy and gets away with it. And nobody seems to care. I suspect that his potential scum team may be encouraging him to make really scummy posts to make him appear too obvious a target for the lynch.

Okay, enough tunnel vision. Here are some other people I find scummy:

Rose - She said she think's I'm trolling, which to an extent was true in the initial days. But I could say the same for her. She seems very non committal and is pretty much following everyone else. I would not be against lynching Rose either. Not sure why anyone sees her as town!

Curtis - Lurking like a bastard, and definitely not being helpful. He seemed to be indicating some distrust for Ahoda the other day despite his solid claim, which I found off.

Vernon - Hard to say really. Like others I'm becoming more suspicious of him as we go on. One thing though: If Vernon is scum, Curtis probably is too.

Helios - He seems to have quietened down considerably, after dominating discussion and putting pressure on people. Sudden changes of behavior always come across as shady to me. Was his initial burst of activity an attempt to blend in, which he hasn't felt the need to maintain?

Timmah and Merc - Both lurkers, both scummy to me.

Not sure who I would put in the town category right now tbh. I want to say Oddilus is town because his claim seems solid, but he does strike me as scummy for some reason.

Is there absolutely no way he couldn't be the vote stealer?

I can't believe this only just occurred to me, but we have just been assuming the vote stealer and doublevoter are two separate roles. Whereas in fact they could quite easily be one and the same. Everybody who has flipped thus far has multiple powers. So it stands to reason that there may be a role which includes multiple powers related to manipulating the votes. A votestealer/doublevoter, with who knows what ULT power.

Also, before anybody says it, doublevoter CAN be a scum role. It is rare, but it absolutely can. Vote stealer could easily be a scum role too.

Oddilus being the vote stealer as well as the doublevoter wouldn't necessarily make him scum though. It would be interesting and worth noting, but it wouldn't be damning. He could still be town, and have been using his steal to cancel the votes of players he found suspicious.

HOWEVER

It would be quite a coincidence that when someone tried to day kill me yesterday, I also got a notification that my vote had been cancelled. (Forgot to mention this in the heat of the moment)

So...I'm not willing to put Oddilus anywhere near the confirmed town pile just yet. Meaning I am not feeling good about any of you right now. Which is an annoying state to be in on Day 4.

##Lynch Drake

Going to a wedding

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 4:21

Christian, thus far all you have said is you didn't like that shit at the end of the day. That's nice and vague too. Give me solid reasoning please.

That is correct. I didn't like your end of day posts, you were all over the place. You said you thought Chris was being sarcastic. But it looked like you were. None of it made sense. But you were drunk. Again. :P I forgot you said your vote was canceled until I read back just now. It looked like thisisbad's vote was also canceled, by the end of day count. Could there have been two yesterday? Are you a top suspect of mine? Yes. But have I voted to lynch you yet today? No. Have fun at the wedding. :P

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 4:49

I can't believe this only just occurred to me, but we have just been assuming the vote stealer and doublevoter are two separate roles. Whereas in fact they could quite easily be one and the same. Everybody who has flipped thus far has multiple powers. So it stands to reason that there may be a role which includes multiple powers related to manipulating the votes. A votestealer/doublevoter, with who knows what ULT power. Also, before anybody says it, doublevoter CAN be a scum role. It is rare, but it absolutely can. Vote stealer could easily be a scum role too.

Did Lamps not flip as the vote canceler? The fact that it appears that two people had their vote canceled at the end of the day is a little weird. thisisbad, did you get a message about it?

and...##Lynch Merc

##lynch Wikey

I would have cast my vote last night but I passed out.

Looking at the chris train could give some information if we look at past trains, but fucking up his ult claim didn't help either.

I know of one person who got attacked last night, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. :)

I'm still interested in hearing on the rose - brian thingy.

im317 @ 25/8/2016 20:58

i was attacked yet again, thankfully i was also healed. im still a bit shocked over how Chris could manage to fuck up this much. first he doesn't say anything about running into the mine, which would have confirmed Seb's claim, if not his alignment. then he gets his role ass backwards. that has to be up there with the worst i have ever seen anyone mess up in a single game.

Attacked for same number of points?

And yes, chris is HOF for sure this game

I missed the day attack on Wikey ... Where was that? I can look further once I get to a computer ...

How have I been lurking you Brit piece of trash