ahoda @ 28/4/2016 7:34

Herm @ 28/4/2016 8:31 Why couldn't it be SK/Mafia attacks? Anyway, Lamps you should claim. If you're town that is. If you're scum then that's not necessary. Why would either kill someone everyone wanted to lynch? It's not good for the scum.

Everyone wanted to lynch JC? I must have missed that part.

This is really pretty interesting. In 99.9% of the games over here, when someone survives a kill and there is not an accounted for reason, they get lynched. And about 90% of the time, they flip scum of some fashion. And rarely is there much push back from more than the person who survived and maybe 1-2 others.

Contrast to this game, where Lamps survives a kill attempt and has 5-6 people defending him pretty damn hard.

TIB, you thinking Lamps is scum or town based on his survival? 60 seconds, go!

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 15:03

This is really pretty interesting. In 99.9% of the games over here, when someone survives a kill and there is not an accounted for reason, they get lynched. And about 90% of the time, they flip scum of some fashion. And rarely is there much push back from more than the person who survived and maybe 1-2 others. Contrast to this game, where Lamps survives a kill attempt and has 5-6 people defending him pretty damn hard.

Lamps is a common N1 target, this is what's making me doubt.

If Lamps is town or mafia, I don't think mafia's gonna jump on that without a strategy in place. Same deal if he's SK.

A lot of people seem convinced JC had to have been killed by a Vig so that's where some of this is coming from maybe?

Would like to hear more from Lamps.

I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11

Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1

And we can all think of several ways he could have survived as scum as well. I agree, he needs to put more of an explanation out there, if not claim outright. If he sticks with the tactic he already used of just calling people out for being stupid and scummy for voting him, then I'm going to lynch him.

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 9:14

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11 Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1 And we can all think of several ways he could have survived as scum as well. I agree, he needs to put more of an explanation out there, if not claim outright. If he sticks with the tactic he already used of just calling people out for being stupid and scummy for voting him, then I'm going to lynch him.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

See what happens.

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 10:03

This is really pretty interesting. In 99.9% of the games over here, when someone survives a kill and there is not an accounted for reason, they get lynched. And about 90% of the time, they flip scum of some fashion. And rarely is there much push back from more than the person who survived and maybe 1-2 others. Contrast to this game, where Lamps survives a kill attempt and has 5-6 people defending him pretty damn hard.

I agree, except it makes no sense for any scum to kill JC. He had lots of people wanting to lynch him on D1.

I don't know that he had lots of people wanting to lynch him ... mostly just wanting him to shut up.

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 7:21

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 8:04 ahoda @ 28/4/2016 5:46 I don't see how Lamps is scum. There is no way SK or mafia attacked JC. That is a clearly an Vig attack. Unless a town bus driver swapped mafia Don with kill target. I think Lamps is town at this point. Sorry- I don't buy the vig attack angle at all and you defending Lamps means that if Lamps flips GF, you are definitely tied. Don't give a shit. ##lynch Vlady You're aren't thinking and analyzing like you normally do. Playing aggressive isn't your style. You are scum pushing an agenda.

LOL- you think that it is more likely that there is a vig who killed on N1 and no SK than there is an SK and a vig who killed a townie N1? A vig with no information other than spin was unhappy with his role and decided to remove a townie? Are you really trying to stretch your argument that far?

I would sooner buy that Lamps is BP SK that killed JC last night than that JC was killed by a vig. But the fact that you immediately discount the possibility of Lamps being attacked by anything other than mafia leads me to believe he is mafia and you and him are on the same team.

So, two killers out last night.

With a game this size, wouldn't we normally see Mafia, Vig, SK?

I can see JC being targeted by a SK too.

I wouldn't think Mafia would target someone that normally looks scummy.

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 10:21

ahoda @ 28/4/2016 7:21 vladykins @ 28/4/2016 8:04 ahoda @ 28/4/2016 5:46 I don't see how Lamps is scum. There is no way SK or mafia attacked JC. That is a clearly an Vig attack. Unless a town bus driver swapped mafia Don with kill target. I think Lamps is town at this point. Sorry- I don't buy the vig attack angle at all and you defending Lamps means that if Lamps flips GF, you are definitely tied. Don't give a shit. ##lynch Vlady You're aren't thinking and analyzing like you normally do. Playing aggressive isn't your style. You are scum pushing an agenda. LOL- you think that it is more likely that there is a vig who killed on N1 and no SK than there is an SK and a vig who killed a townie N1? A vig with no information other than spin was unhappy with his role and decided to remove a townie? Are you really trying to stretch your argument that far? I would sooner buy that Lamps is BP SK that killed JC last night than that JC was killed by a vig. But the fact that you immediately discount the possibility of Lamps being attacked by anything other than mafia leads me to believe he is mafia and you and him are on the same team.

Spin had the 2nd most votes majority of the day. If Ben had posted once most of his votes would have ended up on JC.

Vlady never speaks in absolutes like this. Hi scum. You make this easy.

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 8:40

I don't understand why a Vig couldn't have killed JC. Usually someone with that role can't resist killing someone. On the first few nights, in the absence of a solid scum read, they'll kill an inactive. But how about a player actively complaining about their role? Being distracting? And even self-voting at one point? I can see a Vig killing him. FOS on those that are discounting that.

So you are saying that this game has a mafia who targeted Lamps and a vig that targeted JC and that we either have no SK or an SK who didn't bother to turn in a night action?

I'm sorry, but that set up just sounds off to me. The fact that everyone is assuming vig, with *NO FLAVOR* at all to back that up seems silly and a way to give Lamps an out.

I'm not sure where Curtis is suddenly saying people are framing him either, because outside of one post that I thought was a joke, nobody has even mentioned him. That strikes me as weirdly defensive.

Dadd @ 28/4/2016 9:11

Would like to hear more from Lamps. I can think of a few ways he could have survived, especially on a N1

Yes, but what Lamps came in with was "Well, clearly JC was a vig kill" as if presupposing that he was attacked by mafia. Then people started lining up to agree. And if you question that, it is scummy?

While there are a number of possibilities for Lamps surviving, the fact that there are so many people who have a firm understanding of what happened last night when there is zero evidence is what seems scummy as hell to me. The only saving grace I see if that I would expect people to be distancing themselves a lot more if they were on the scum team with Lamps, because outside of the GLB game ahoda and company outed their whole mafia team D1 I have never seen ahoda be so obvious.