Apologies for being absent since day 1. Real life shit was crazy at work the past few days.

Recap for myself:

Primate is a 100% dick. We all knew that.

Buffy was a decent scum read in my opinion due to her overreactions on D1.

Primate flipped town, duh.

We should look at people crucifying primate D2 after the kill. Off the top of my head Curtis sticks out, but I will need to look back closer to get a solid list of names.

Jay survives an attack so automatically everyone thinks he's scum.

Jay is always scum.

Boc claims to be mason with Im317 (dead) and King Z but thinks Z might be a traitor of some sort. Where was the quote from that originally brought this thought into his head? Was it from im317 in their forum?

King Z claims backup vig and self votes because town is so stupid.

Horrible move to ever self vote. I can't stand that shit.

##lynch King Z

KingZ's self vote reeks of desperation / giving up imo.

Patrick @ 1/4/2016 23:46

KingZ's self vote reeks of desperation / giving up imo.

I never have a good feeling about self votes. I could get on board with Jay being godfather as well but I'm definitely good with lynching King Z based on Boc's suspicion and King Z's quick self vote pity party.

does anyone else get the impression that drr's just stalling to wait for someone to give her an opening to claim her N2 watch? I dunno why she'd assume the person she watched would get any kind of result

I dunno, until there's a counterclaim I guess can't actually lynch her, but most of the things she's done this game have struck me as shady. Like I said before, that immediate sudden death vote really didn't sit well with me. I get that she wanted to save herself but it seems like more of a scum move to ensure she survived another day no matter what. If she was telling the truth I dunno why she'd think she was in danger of being lynched anyways

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##lynch King Z

if I don't do this I'm dead tonight anyways, since I just saw he submitted a kill action on me on our forum!! (:

Boc @ 1/4/2016 23:59

o ##lynch King Z if I don't do this I'm dead tonight anyways, since I just saw he submitted a kill action on me on our forum!! (:

Actually? Lol

Do we have a list of claimed people so far?

Dr - watcher
Boc - mason?
King Z - mason backup vig

I really wanna hear from King Z's explanation for his statements Boc brought up. I have no idea how to actually take what we know right now about him. Everything he said today sounds very bad, but it kinda feels like he thinks Masons are actually third party or something. Otherwise would he really be that BLATANT in the Mason board? I guess it's possible. That or he is very confused.

-dr @ 2/4/2016 1:02

I really wanna hear from King Z's explanation for his statements Boc brought up. I have no idea how to actually take what we know right now about him. Everything he said today sounds very bad, but it kinda feels like he thinks Masons are actually third party or something. Otherwise would he really be that BLATANT in the Mason board? I guess it's possible. That or he is very confused.

yeah his responses today have kinda struck me as very odd town tbh (see: Bear). I guess the 'different strategic perspectives' defense is the only thing he could really cling onto if he did let slip that he's Third Party though, so I don't really know what to think

in either case I don't have a choice anymore seeing as how he's gone rogue (:

Boc @ 1/4/2016 22:42

alright then. A bussing definitely happened last night. Unless someone decided to bus Merc/Mal or 317/Mal for no apparent reason, I think it's very likely the mafia bus driver bussed Godfather Jayadamo with Mal, thinking Mal wouldn't be a target last night leaning towards lynching him over King Z at this point but I'll wait to see what he has to say

I don't see a mafia bus driver bussing the GF. GF is usually safest at home, unless they somehow found out that someone was targeting him.

CanuckStud @ 2/4/2016 1:19

Boc @ 1/4/2016 22:42 alright then. A bussing definitely happened last night. Unless someone decided to bus Merc/Mal or 317/Mal for no apparent reason, I think it's very likely the mafia bus driver bussed Godfather Jayadamo with Mal, thinking Mal wouldn't be a target last night leaning towards lynching him over King Z at this point but I'll wait to see what he has to say I don't see a mafia bus driver bussing the GF. GF is usually safest at home, unless they somehow found out that someone was targeting him.

Jay got a good amount of heat yesterday. I could see them being worried about a vig or an investigative role going after him

zilla, thoughts?

This is very strange.

Boc must have known before he spoke up that King Z had the role of backup vig. I would have thought that would make him pause before divulging everything so readily. Because if that is indeed his role and he is town, then he has effectively outed a power role.

And my first impression would be that it doesn't make sense for a scum infiltrator to inherit the town vig role.

The only way I could see such a thing being possible is if it was a new role design. Let's say King Z is scum, and his objective was to encourage im317 to misfire on town. im317 is set to die if he misfires twice. There isn't much room for error. Perhaps King Z is scum and his objective was to encourage im317 to misfire so that he could inherit the role for himself.

We can safely assume that he is the backup vig, regardless of alignment. Boc has backed him on this. And I see no reason to believe that the role isn't legit. Boc said it is only his role name, which seemed to me like he was hinting that he may not actually have any powers. This won't be the case. If someone was a backup vig, but then it turned out they wasn't able to kill anyone, you would realize this was the case pretty fast and get suspicious.

So he almost certainly is the backup vig, and he does have killing abilities. I guess it depends on whether we are willing to believe that scum now have an extra killer on their side. I for one doubt it!

I am surprised Boc didn't bother attempting to talk this out with King Z privately first too. Knowing full well that Z has the role of backup vig, I would have expected him to take every precaution not to disclose anything to the town and risk exposing an important role like that.

It also irked me that Boc apologized if he was wrong about all this when he made his initial post claiming all this. Almost felt like he could have been apologizing in advance because he knows this is bullshit.

Apologizing also indicates that there was some doubt on his part, which again, if you have doubts about whether your mason partner who has an important role is or isn't scum, why speak up so readily when you know they have an important role?

I'll go as far as saying that Boc might be the scum infiltrator, if there is one at all.

I need to read through but I can say I have really screwed the town. I gave the gun to Primate knowing he would use it but didn't know he would be a dick about it. That cost us 2 townies. Last night I used my action that would make all actions come to me. Not sure how the deaths occured when every night action was supposed to happen to me.