Ari @ 12/10/2015 12:10

What do you guys think Redster is? For him to be mafia either 1. Mafia was blocked night 2 and Redster was attacked by town/another third party 2. Mafia attacked their own member, Redster, somehow. Doesnt seem very likely to me that he is mafia, unless I am missing something here? For him to be town he would have to have been saved by two different people on consecutive nights, which also seem very unlikely. Could very well be third party BP and plainly lying to us. My guess at the moment.

It is stupid obvious I'm not mafia. People pushing my lynch that are actually paying attention are doing so with the assumption I'm some sort of 3rd party. Then there are idiots like Henry who just forget to take their pills and then post.

Wikey @ 12/10/2015 12:14

Rose is the jailer

How do you know this?

Wikey @ 12/10/2015 12:15

Redster, claim.

no u

BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 18:53

Daniel @ 12/10/2015 11:44 BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 18:35 Whoa whoa whoa. Is there a reason that there is a random lynch train developing on me? Because that seems random as fuck (and somewhat coordinated). I can see why Lamps would want to because I've made it very clear that I suspect him of being scum. I have no idea what Free Candy and Timmah are trying to accomplish though. If that were my reason to vote you, then that would have been almost as bad a reason as yours yesterday. My reason for voting you yesterday involved you calling Curtis definite scum over and over again with no real rationale for doing so (surprise, he flipped town). And because your behavior with Buffy seemed off to me after you FOS'd her (who also flipped town). That and you never added anything of value to the conversation yesterday, which appears to be the approach you are taking to today as well. You were acting scummy, so I voted to lynch you. I'll admit though that the speculation about you being Jailer was pretty dumb to post in hindsight and that I probably should have kept that to myself.

One of your reasons was that I called bs on Redster's shit without hearing him out, when YOU placed your vote on me without hearing me out. Seriously?

I was away and had little time to catch up, let alone post more in dept thoughts except for the posts i made in the morning. Then all i heard was that it was forced and whatnot (no added value u said it yourself ^^) so yes i do not really feel inclined to put any thought and time into this.

And day 1 was day 1 lol.

So the people pushing for a Redster lynch are either scum or town not paying attention. Would scum just blatantly push his lynch today?

You had made like 5 or 6 posts by the time I placed a lynch vote on you. Redster had yet to arrive in the thread when you preemptively tried to get people to disregard him. Not the same thing.

And as a side note, since I made that post where I said why I thought you were scummy and weren't contributing, all you have done is randomly ask to be shot by Curtis, throw shade on Buffy and Curtis before they flipped town, and thrown shade and a vote at me. Not really selling your case as town IMO.

Henry_42 @ 12/10/2015 20:48

you see if ari wasn't protecting his boss here, and he just does so because it's looking really bad for redster, legitimately, I might not have recognized, that early at least, that's he's made a deal with the dark side, the scum side, the GET FUCKED side....well he sided with the wrong gang....and once redster is gone he's the next in line....to GET FUCKED...meltdown-time....snow-men gonna cry!

Wikey has been redster's biggest protector imo. He took it as far as saying we should stop focussing on ppl surviving a kill, when as far as i can remember from past games they are scum about 90% of the time?

BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 21:36

You had made like 5 or 6 posts by the time I placed a lynch vote on you. Redster had yet to arrive in the thread when you preemptively tried to get people to disregard him. Not the same thing. And as a side note, since I made that post where I said why I thought you were scummy and weren't contributing, all you have done is randomly ask to be shot by Curtis, throw shade on Buffy and Curtis before they flipped town, and thrown shade and a vote at me. Not really selling your case as town IMO.

Lol whut? Redster had several posts around page 6/7 explaining the situation and there were like 11 pages at that time. i did not buy his shit, didnt even have a vote, but did not buy it - didnt try anything with that, what a conclusion. Lol are we playing the same game?

Herm @ 12/10/2015 12:35

So the people pushing for a Redster lynch are either scum or town not paying attention. Would scum just blatantly push his lynch today?

Well not necessarily. They are always misguided town that are paying attention but stuck in a tunnel.

And yes, scum would blatantly push my lynch. They have failed twice to kill me so they assume I am either Town BP or SK BP and either way they want me out of the way. It is a lynch with no drawbacks for them. And after my flip tomorrow they just say, "oh well I thought he was the SK and lying so we had to know for sure. Now we have so much info that we can use to blindly lynch somebody else."

Daniel @ 12/10/2015 12:44

BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 21:36 You had made like 5 or 6 posts by the time I placed a lynch vote on you. Redster had yet to arrive in the thread when you preemptively tried to get people to disregard him. Not the same thing. And as a side note, since I made that post where I said why I thought you were scummy and weren't contributing, all you have done is randomly ask to be shot by Curtis, throw shade on Buffy and Curtis before they flipped town, and thrown shade and a vote at me. Not really selling your case as town IMO. Lol whut? Redster had several posts around page 6/7 explaining the situation and there were like 11 pages at that time. i did not buy his shit, didnt even have a vote, but did not buy it - didnt try anything with that, what a conclusion. Lol are we playing the same game?

The fuck?

You posted this on page 4

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I'd also vote Redster. Even if he comes up with some explanation it is probably bs. oh and Curtis I owe u answers, didn't see that post until after the thread was locked;;;

I didn't post anything until the bottom of page 5.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 18:42

FREE CANDY @ 12/10/2015 8:54 Redster @ 12/10/2015 8:39 FREE CANDY @ 12/10/2015 6:26 Redster should of been lynched yesterday. However let's get rid of this monster, ##lynch beaver. What do you have on beaver? You have infos? i thought beaver's posts on day 2, post 11, 19 and 248, were interesting. if you go back and read post 214, i wanted to see if i could draw out beaver with a response, but nothing. I decided to RB beaver, but it failed. remember, a kidnap happens prior to most everything else in night action resolution. i think beaver is part of the kidnapping and deciding to kill one or the other. Oh, noticed this after I posted that. I haven't gone back and looked at those specific posts yet, but I'll get around to it in a bit once Im at my desktop. For the record I do believe that you tried to roleblock me because my role specifies that I can't be roleblocked. But you are wrong about me being jailer, I have a town role and I can reveal more if you guys insist on me claiming but I don't think it's a good idea unless absolutely necessary.

TBH though, i think u have revealed enough in this post and im INCLINED to believe you. U should rly try to start considering the option that i am not scum, too, though. Scum will post however ppl are expected to post, i post whatever the fuck i want. Think about it.

##unlynch badger

Redster @ 12/10/2015 21:51

Daniel @ 12/10/2015 12:44 BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 21:36 You had made like 5 or 6 posts by the time I placed a lynch vote on you. Redster had yet to arrive in the thread when you preemptively tried to get people to disregard him. Not the same thing. And as a side note, since I made that post where I said why I thought you were scummy and weren't contributing, all you have done is randomly ask to be shot by Curtis, throw shade on Buffy and Curtis before they flipped town, and thrown shade and a vote at me. Not really selling your case as town IMO. Lol whut? Redster had several posts around page 6/7 explaining the situation and there were like 11 pages at that time. i did not buy his shit, didnt even have a vote, but did not buy it - didnt try anything with that, what a conclusion. Lol are we playing the same game? The fuck? You posted this on page 4 Quote I'd also vote Redster. Even if he comes up with some explanation it is probably bs. oh and Curtis I owe u answers, didn't see that post until after the thread was locked;;; I didn't post anything until the bottom of page 5.

Oh, thought this was about my post at page 11 or whatever, but I see. Dont rly see whats wrong with that when u expect it to be bs, wasnt trying to disregard whatever, thats such a farfetched conclusion.

Redster @ 12/10/2015 14:47

Herm @ 12/10/2015 12:35 So the people pushing for a Redster lynch are either scum or town not paying attention. Would scum just blatantly push his lynch today? Well not necessarily. They are always misguided town that are paying attention but stuck in a tunnel. And yes, scum would blatantly push my lynch. They have failed twice to kill me so they assume I am either Town BP or SK BP and either way they want me out of the way. It is a lynch with no drawbacks for them. And after my flip tomorrow they just say, "oh well I thought he was the SK and lying so we had to know for sure. Now we have so much info that we can use to blindly lynch somebody else."

This may be all well and true today, but yesterday the best thing we could've done as far as getting info for the town was to have Curtis shoot you. Hell, I wasn't even saying we had to lynch you after that if you survived. I just wanted info. I was ignored and your train was derailed elsewhere... Then you survived another attack. At some point you have to explain that, especially since you keep saying your not BP town.

Wikey @ 12/10/2015 14:14

Rose is the jailer

confidence level?

Wikey @ 12/10/2015 14:15

Redster, claim.

I think he needs to, or we will be focused on him at the detriment of everything else until we get some answer.

Canuck Stud

Lynched JC Day 1 based on a gut feeling. Later switched to Wikey because he felt that people who lynch themselves deserve to be lynched. Take note that this was before Vernon was in danger of being lynched, Curtis and Wikey were currently the leading lynches. Day 2, he said he could see both sides of Curtis and the Gun Control debate and argued that it was possible that the jailer could've tried to frame Curtis. So I know I got this strong, but how likely is it that he also got it wrong? Who knows. He then said that Redster could be town, but that someone needs to keep an eye on him. Lynched Gmaj.

Conclusion: Part of his posts makes me think he could be scum, but he's treading a fine line between scummy town and scum so I really can't say.

Timmah @ 12/10/2015 13:02

This may be all well and true today, but yesterday the best thing we could've done as far as getting info for the town was to have Curtis shoot you. Hell, I wasn't even saying we had to lynch you after that if you survived. I just wanted info. I was ignored and your train was derailed elsewhere... Then you survived another attack. At some point you have to explain that, especially since you keep saying your not BP town.

I will claim today if necessary. Won't decide for a few hours. Still curious to see if any more lurkers show up. I guess I'll give IBG a pass for Canadian Bacon Day, but there are a few others that still haven't posted today.

Ari @ 12/10/2015 14:10

What do you guys think Redster is? For him to be mafia either 1. Mafia was blocked night 2 and Redster was attacked by town/another third party 2. Mafia attacked their own member, Redster, somehow. Doesnt seem very likely to me that he is mafia, unless I am missing something here? For him to be town he would have to have been saved by two different people on consecutive nights, which also seem very unlikely. Could very well be third party BP and plainly lying to us. My guess at the moment. What do you think Badger is? Free Candy cant block him? So what? He could easily be something like a hider, which cant be targeted. Am I missing something here? Are we assuming the jailor cant be targeted at night?

Hang on a sec, you are ignoring 1 important piece here - either that or intentionally misleading away from it.

How do we know the jailer is not mafia, and that is the mafia's kill? If that's a mafia kill, then this whole post flies right out the window!

Now, would that be super OP as a mafia role? Perhaps. I'm not saying it IS a mafia role, but you cannot just pretend like it's not an option...

Timmah @ 12/10/2015 13:08

Ari @ 12/10/2015 14:10 What do you guys think Redster is? For him to be mafia either 1. Mafia was blocked night 2 and Redster was attacked by town/another third party 2. Mafia attacked their own member, Redster, somehow. Doesnt seem very likely to me that he is mafia, unless I am missing something here? For him to be town he would have to have been saved by two different people on consecutive nights, which also seem very unlikely. Could very well be third party BP and plainly lying to us. My guess at the moment. What do you think Badger is? Free Candy cant block him? So what? He could easily be something like a hider, which cant be targeted. Am I missing something here? Are we assuming the jailor cant be targeted at night? Hang on a sec, you are ignoring 1 important piece here - either that or intentionally misleading away from it. How do we know the jailer is not mafia, and that is the mafia's kill? If that's a mafia kill, then this whole post flies right out the window! Now, would that be super OP as a mafia role? Perhaps. I'm not saying it IS a mafia role, but you cannot just pretend like it's not an option...

With Vern flipping mafia kidnapper already, I just don't see the jailer killer also being mafia. That would be stupid OP for them.

As for Badger, I don't know what he is. I don't believe that he is a bad guy just because FC could not block him, but it was worth applying the pressure since FC outed himself to give us that info.

Which brings up another question - FC why did you feel you needed to out your role to give us that information?

Daniel @ 12/10/2015 14:44

BadgerMcBeaver @ 12/10/2015 21:36 You had made like 5 or 6 posts by the time I placed a lynch vote on you. Redster had yet to arrive in the thread when you preemptively tried to get people to disregard him. Not the same thing. And as a side note, since I made that post where I said why I thought you were scummy and weren't contributing, all you have done is randomly ask to be shot by Curtis, throw shade on Buffy and Curtis before they flipped town, and thrown shade and a vote at me. Not really selling your case as town IMO. Lol whut? Redster had several posts around page 6/7 explaining the situation and there were like 11 pages at that time. i did not buy his shit, didnt even have a vote, but did not buy it - didnt try anything with that, what a conclusion. Lol are we playing the same game?

I'll be as clear as possible. On post #49, you posted:

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I'd also vote Redster. Even if he comes up with some explanation it is probably bs.

Redster had yet to enter that day's conversation (his first post was #69) and I found it scummy how quickly you tried to push for a lynch and discredit him before we heard from him at all. I also found your other behavior that day to be scummy (with regards to Curtis and JJ), so I placed my vote on you.

Right now you are trying to make me look like a hypocrite when you say that I didn't hear you out while accusing you of doing the same thing of Redster, but the two situations were very different. You tried to push a lynch before he even arrived to the discussion. I pushed for your lynch after you had posted 5 or 6 times and I found the posts you'd made to be scummy.

I might have taken my vote off of you if you had given me some sort of argument as to why I should do so, but nothing you did after that made you seem like town to me so I left it as is. Anyways I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here talking to you so I'll leave it at that.