Well if that is how we should look at TP (not saying we should or shouldn't) then Spin could have fully claimed (possibly even hiding the TP part first) and if that didn't work then vlady could have backed him up. For a large part my vote for Spin was based on the way he defended himself, SOMETHING seemed off...
I'm saying it is more a reaction to the "If TP, automatically lynch" mentality. For example, when I was Putin, if I hadn't been intentionally redirected to Ape to get converted to mafia, then I would have still been TP survivor when I claimed. I literally wasn't planning on checking Ape and getting rid of me at the time would have done nothing for town.
Granted, I also had no idea that I was a traitor- kind of like IM had no idea he could end up scum or TP Chaos Team this game.
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
Well if that is how we should look at TP (not saying we should or shouldn't) then Spin could have fully claimed (possibly even hiding the TP part first) and if that didn't work then vlady could have backed him up. For a large part my vote for Spin was based on the way he defended himself, SOMETHING seemed off...
I'm saying it is more a reaction to the "If TP, automatically lynch" mentality. For example, when I was Putin, if I hadn't been intentionally redirected to Ape to get converted to mafia, then I would have still been TP survivor when I claimed. I literally wasn't planning on checking Ape and getting rid of me at the time would have done nothing for town.
Granted, I also had no idea that I was a traitor- kind of like IM had no idea he could end up scum or TP Chaos Team this game.
oh i was sure i could end up changing factions, otherwise why was i looking for someone, my only worry was that if i could end up being tied to another player and dying when they did.
Well if that is how we should look at TP (not saying we should or shouldn't) then Spin could have fully claimed (possibly even hiding the TP part first) and if that didn't work then vlady could have backed him up. For a large part my vote for Spin was based on the way he defended himself, SOMETHING seemed off...
I'm saying it is more a reaction to the "If TP, automatically lynch" mentality. For example, when I was Putin, if I hadn't been intentionally redirected to Ape to get converted to mafia, then I would have still been TP survivor when I claimed. I literally wasn't planning on checking Ape and getting rid of me at the time would have done nothing for town.
Granted, I also had no idea that I was a traitor- kind of like IM had no idea he could end up scum or TP Chaos Team this game.
oh i was sure i could end up changing factions, otherwise why was i looking for someone, my only worry was that if i could end up being tied to another player and dying when they did.
I've seen setups where you find the person, become "lovers" and you win, then try to survive until Endgame for total victory.
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
Well if that is how we should look at TP (not saying we should or shouldn't) then Spin could have fully claimed (possibly even hiding the TP part first) and if that didn't work then vlady could have backed him up. For a large part my vote for Spin was based on the way he defended himself, SOMETHING seemed off...
I'm saying it is more a reaction to the "If TP, automatically lynch" mentality. For example, when I was Putin, if I hadn't been intentionally redirected to Ape to get converted to mafia, then I would have still been TP survivor when I claimed. I literally wasn't planning on checking Ape and getting rid of me at the time would have done nothing for town.
Granted, I also had no idea that I was a traitor- kind of like IM had no idea he could end up scum or TP Chaos Team this game.
oh i was sure i could end up changing factions, otherwise why was i looking for someone, my only worry was that if i could end up being tied to another player and dying when they did.
I've seen setups where you find the person, become "lovers" and you win, then try to survive until Endgame for total victory.
I agree that Lyncher isn't automatically scum, as sometimes they can have the role of killing mafia members, and sometimes their targets are randomly chosen (although, numerically this probably favors scum but w/e).
But if a person is going to try to argue that it's in town's best interest to keep them alive when they are third party roles that are more or less benign, they better have already been working pretty hard at scum hunting and providing value to town. I see people use this type of defense after doing pretty much nothing all game and they expect it to hold up (it didn't happen this game, but it's happen plenty in the past). And to be honest, in those instances I think the third party player deserves to lose.
Because even Third Party isn't always direct scum, there is always the possibility that a more dangerous third party role is lying. Unless they've built up some town cred, or there are better options available, I'll often be willing to test that claim.
So I guess the moral of the story is don't be lazy as a third party.
Also DS basically lost all credibility he had with me because of his bullshit at the beginning of this game. Because even if we bend over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't based on a vendetta, it's still terrible game play and the fact that he's defending it is even worse.
It's one thing to try and draw attention to yourself by claiming something fake, but if your plan requires you as town to throw another random player under the bus, and then give a fake role claim trying to verify your information, it's basically a terrible plan and you're being an asshole.
It's worthy of FE's all time HoL, not just this game's.
I agree that Lyncher isn't automatically scum, as sometimes they can have the role of killing mafia members, and sometimes their targets are randomly chosen (although, numerically this probably favors scum but w/e).
But if a person is going to try to argue that it's in town's best interest to keep them alive when they are third party roles that are more or less benign, they better have already been working pretty hard at scum hunting and providing value to town. I see people use this type of defense after doing pretty much nothing all game and they expect it to hold up (it didn't happen this game, but it's happen plenty in the past). And to be honest, in those instances I think the third party player deserves to lose.
Because even Third Party isn't always direct scum, there is always the possibility that a more dangerous third party role is lying. Unless they've built up some town cred, or there are better options available, I'll often be willing to test that claim.
So I guess the moral of the story is don't be lazy as a third party.
My bad, I'll make sure to be less lazy before I make my first post next time.
If I hadn't been killed, I was actually debating my best strategy. I was pretty sure brian was a BG and that I could get him lynched, but it would be harder with the unknowns like Stephen still in play to get a slam dunk. I was considering actually coming out and saying "Look, I'm TP lyncher, I'm pretty sure brian is BG, help me win and then I'll help town finish this off!" but I figured that some might react to the third party element and lynch me instead. Alternatively I was prepared to make a backup cop claim, clear Stephen, then push for a brian lynch. A lot more lying at that point that wouldn't have helped town (but then Stephen would have shown town if investigated, but I didn't know that at the time).
Weirdly, I have been hitting a lot of TP, which is why I'm more reflective on this. I've also been more reluctant to go after town BP roles (though I did push on Kiwi for this, mainly because he was the lynch target at the time and the BP claim fits with GF).
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as:
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Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"."
Scum = anti-town
I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum.
Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town.
i have been trying to get them to learn this for over a year now, its tough going.
Who is them
DS is one of yours
Plenty of FE members have always subscribed to that line of thinking. GET THAT THEM OUTTA HERE!!
Also DS basically lost all credibility he had with me because of his bullshit at the beginning of this game. Because even if we bend over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't based on a vendetta, it's still terrible game play and the fact that he's defending it is even worse.
It's one thing to try and draw attention to yourself by claiming something fake, but if your plan requires you as town to throw another random player under the bus, and then give a fake role claim trying to verify your information, it's basically a terrible plan and you're being an asshole.
It's worthy of FE's all time HoL, not just this game's.
Im not defending it, but it certainly wasnt based on a vendetta
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