Ok fine, that's fair I guess, at least me timmah and Curtis each have one vote each now. It would be nice if im317 would give his reasoning for choosing me specifically though.

We have plenty of time left to come to a decision.

Personally i'm leaning towards Timmah again. I would like to hear what he has to say about my follow up post, but I won't be casting a vote until tomorrow.

One last thing. I'm not completely prepared to discount the existence of a Mafia Godfather. The trouble is, if there is one, who poisoned Brian? Curtis put forward the possibility that it could be a one shot 3rd party role, perhaps a power im317 had in the scenario that he is the SK. But I can't see it personally. To have the ability to kill every night plus the one time ability to poison a player...it sounds too random.

Day 8 Vote Count

Timmah (1/3) - Curtis
Wikey (1/3) - im317
Curtis (0/3) - im317, Timmah, im317

13 hours and 16 minutes left

Wikey @ 9/11/2015 20:20

Timmah @ 9/11/2015 20:14 Whatever day we lynched redster was the day where I went back and posted every remaining players' final votes with some analysis. When I looked at those, Redster's was one that jumped out to me because when he was active he wasn't doing much. When Jay and schrauben were active they at least appeared to be trying to be somewhat helpful. Some of that was meta though because we all play on the other site. I also had a town read from you after the Ari lynch and the game play to that point Okay, but the day you joined Redsters lynch the first time (day 5) you also posted that you didn't really have a read on him. Here is the quote for reference: Quote 3. curtis - no read at all; he lynched Ari early last day "for pressure", but quickly unlynched after the claim and never lynched him again; 4. wikey - has been very active - was an early suspect of mine - lean slightly town; 8. timmah - so town it hurts; 10. Schrauben - no read on him at all; 11. Dyl - had been leaning scum, but he made a post earlier today that has me reconsidering; 12. JC - leaning town; 13. im317 - leaning town, though SK is not out of the question; 14. Jayadamo - he says he can't convince us he's town without dying, and seems to want to be killed - not sure what to make of Jay; 15. canuck - was leaning scum, but I'll buy his claim for now; 16. Redster - no read 17. Herm - has been super active, but I still lean slightly to the scum side on him Look at those I have bolded. They would appear to be players you considered more suspicious than Redster, but you lynched him over any of them. I'm not really sure why. You said you had no read on him. Okay, you have explained that you didn't want to lynch Jay because at least he was active, and you could extend that argument to why you didn't lynch Herm. But you also found Dylan suspicious, a player who wasn't exactly the most active. It does seem counterproductive that I should be calling someone out for lynching proven scum and maybe I am grasping straws, but I would like to know why you lynched Redster above someone like Dylan and why you didn't consider Schrauben, who you also had no read on. It could be interpreted as you joining a lynch on a scum buddy to cast shade, not expecting it not to go anywhere.

What you bolder says that Dylan had posted something that had me reconsidering...

I don't think I ended on redster that day, though I can't remember without going back and looking. Sometimes a lynch during the day doesn't have to be for anything but seeing what the reaction will be. I honestly don't remember why I voted him on that particular occasion though.

Y'all should definitely lynch me. I've done nothing but play a town game, but don't let that stop you. Honestly, I'm going to go back to the simplest answer to rather than relying on trying to guess how someone else may or may not have played, in a certain situation, based on a certain role, if they even have that certain role, and if they are even in that certain situation to start with.

That's just too many random variables to try and read someone else's mind.

The only person who has not played a town game, or who has not claimed vig and put us in a position where we can't realistically lynch him, is Curtis. He admitted that himself. Occam's razor, when presented with prions I'm taking the simplest explanation.

If I'm wrong and wikey is mafia, then kudos to you good sir. That means you've played a hell of a game and you'd deserve the win.

## lynch Curtis.

I'm going to be on the road tomorrow and won't be online, so this vote is my final decision. Lynching my would be a hilariously bad decision, but it's yall's to make.

Prions = options. Stupid iPad keyboard

For the record, I think Curtis tipped his hand by listing all the reasons that each of us could be godfather, determining through that logic that it seemed like wikey was the most likely to be the godfather, and then deciding to lynch me instead - going after what he perceived as the "low hanging fruit" - a perception he actually worked to set up by calling me an idiot all day.

Timmah @ 9/11/2015 23:32

Wikey @ 9/11/2015 20:20 Timmah @ 9/11/2015 20:14 Whatever day we lynched redster was the day where I went back and posted every remaining players' final votes with some analysis. When I looked at those, Redster's was one that jumped out to me because when he was active he wasn't doing much. When Jay and schrauben were active they at least appeared to be trying to be somewhat helpful. Some of that was meta though because we all play on the other site. I also had a town read from you after the Ari lynch and the game play to that point Okay, but the day you joined Redsters lynch the first time (day 5) you also posted that you didn't really have a read on him. Here is the quote for reference: Quote 3. curtis - no read at all; he lynched Ari early last day "for pressure", but quickly unlynched after the claim and never lynched him again; 4. wikey - has been very active - was an early suspect of mine - lean slightly town; 8. timmah - so town it hurts; 10. Schrauben - no read on him at all; 11. Dyl - had been leaning scum, but he made a post earlier today that has me reconsidering; 12. JC - leaning town; 13. im317 - leaning town, though SK is not out of the question; 14. Jayadamo - he says he can't convince us he's town without dying, and seems to want to be killed - not sure what to make of Jay; 15. canuck - was leaning scum, but I'll buy his claim for now; 16. Redster - no read 17. Herm - has been super active, but I still lean slightly to the scum side on him Look at those I have bolded. They would appear to be players you considered more suspicious than Redster, but you lynched him over any of them. I'm not really sure why. You said you had no read on him. Okay, you have explained that you didn't want to lynch Jay because at least he was active, and you could extend that argument to why you didn't lynch Herm. But you also found Dylan suspicious, a player who wasn't exactly the most active. It does seem counterproductive that I should be calling someone out for lynching proven scum and maybe I am grasping straws, but I would like to know why you lynched Redster above someone like Dylan and why you didn't consider Schrauben, who you also had no read on. It could be interpreted as you joining a lynch on a scum buddy to cast shade, not expecting it not to go anywhere. What you bolder says that Dylan had posted something that had me reconsidering... I don't think I ended on redster that day, though I can't remember without going back and looking. Sometimes a lynch during the day doesn't have to be for anything but seeing what the reaction will be. I honestly don't remember why I voted him on that particular occasion though.

I also had the benefit of knowing that schrauben had been out dealing with his sons recent surgery. If I was just trying to create separation, I wouldn't have been so quick to jump back on him early the following day and stay there, as the "separation" would have more or less already been created.

In my opinion, if you're looking for separation, then look no further than the Ari lynch and Curtis' early vote and unvote. I spent a lot of time that day banging the lynch Ari drum, and I think that's when I brought Occam's razor up (could've been the day before with rose, but I think it was with Ari). It's odd that in all the analysis, I get credit for being on early but none for "being a dick" (as per Curtis) and arguing for it forcefully.

##lynch vernon
GET FUCKED!

Timmah (1/3) - Curtis
Wikey (1/3) - im317
Curtis (1/3) - im317, Timmah, im317, Timmah

Roughly 5 hours left...I am not going to cast a vote until I have to, but I gotta say i'm leaning Curtis again. Timmah has calmly defended every point I brought against him. I will wait to hear from him one last time before casting a vote.

Regardless of which of you is scum at this point, good job! Really good job! And if im317 is the SK, well done to you too!

The problem with Curtis' arguments against me and Timmah is that you have to stretch your imagination more to believe them.

If you can go around citing players leading lynches on proven scum as evidence against them, then what can't you bring up? Any move that is townish on the surface could be turned on its head to look scummy if you try hard enough. This only serves to muddy the waters and make it so you can't trust anyone.

Now let's imagine that Curtis is indeed the last scum, coming into this day. He would be looking at the remaining players and this would be what he would be keeping in mind:

im317 - Potential SK
Timmah - Very early on Redster lynch, aggressively pursued Ari lynch.
Wikey - Started Redster lynch two days in a row, early on Ari lynch.

Curtis would be looking at that, knowing his position is the weakest of us all, and would have to think of something outside the box if he wanted to survive this day. One option would be to pursue im317 as a lynch, but that is a possibility I dismissed with my first post of the day (as I said if im317 is the SK and we lynch him, we are letting scum win. Whoever wins, we lose. But it's only a theory anyway. Whereas we know for sure one more scum is in play.)

So his only other option was to cast doubt on me and Timmah. The best way to do that is by doing exactly what he did! Proposing that one of us has been playing a long con since the Ari lynch, to blend in with town for the final run.

Now admittedly, you could turn this argument on its head, because if Curtis is town he would probably come to the same conclusion...but as I've already said, if you start spinning everything on its head it becomes impossible to figure anything out. The simpler explanation is that Curtis is our last scum and is pulling out all the stops to avoid the lynch today.

Also, the idea that mafia would have to try something as unorthodox as lynching two of their scum buddies strikes me as a bit far fetched. The main thing that fucks mafia over in the later game is mass claims, and as we have seen that hasn't been such a pressing issue this game because vanilla has been a viable fake claim.

Day 8 Vote Count

Timmah (1/3) - Curtis
Wikey (1/3) - im317
Curtis (1/3) - im317, Timmah, im317, Timmah

33 minutes left

Decision time...

##Lynch Curtis

If I am wrong, i'm sorry, and offer my congrats to Timmah. And also to im317 if he is the SK.

Speaking of which, if he is the SK and the three of us are about to go into tonight representing the last of our respective factions, I implore you both to kill me. Because if town can't even get this lynch right then we deserve nothing from the game.

Day 8 Vote Count

Curtis (2/3) - im317, Timmah, im317, Timmah, Wikey
Timmah (1/3) - Curtis
Wikey (1/3) - im317

19 minutes left

Wikey, what do we say to the God of death?

NOT TODAY!

##unlynch
##Lynch Wikey