Forgot to kill a GOON.

This is the new and completely 100% accurate (probably not) list.

REMAINING ROLES

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Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Watcher Tracker Tracker Cop Seer Seer FBI Agent Doctor Doctor Roleblocker Bodyguard Vigilante One-shot Vigilante One-shot Dayvig One-shot Dayvig Compulsive Childkiller Bulletproof Townie Supersaint One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner Mason Mason Mason Mason Mason Doctor Mason Lover Lover Jack-of-all-trades Vengeful Townie Retired Werewolf Hunter Retired Marine Miller Hirsute Townie Evangelistic Townie Tentacled Townie Black Goo Private Investigator Gravedigger Nymphomaniac One-shot Unlynchable Townie Town Godfather Hider Treestump Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist Weak Jailkeeper Bloodhound Vanilla Cop Cop-of-all-Trades Lynchbait Psychiatrist Judas Saulus Underdog Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Godfather Mafia Roleblocker Mafia Lover Mafia Seer Mafia One-shot Dayvig Mafia One-shot Governor Mafia Strongman Mafia Reflexive Doctor Mafia Cupid Alpha Goon Mafia Compulsive Hider Werewolf Werewolf Werewolf Alpha Werewolf Werewolf Roleblocker Werewolf Cop Werewolf Mason Werewolf Watcher Werewolf FBI Agent Ninja Werewolf Werewolf One-shot PGO Werewolf Miller Werewolf Godfather Werewolf Gravedigger Alien One-shot Unlynchable Alien Prober Alien Vanillaiser Alien Silencer Bulletproof Alien Lover Alien Psychotrooper Alien Sympathiser Survivor Survivor Mason Lyncher Lyncher Serial Killer Serial Killer Serial Killer Serial Killer One-shot Cult Recruiter Cult One-shot Goomaker

If the role Tricks would enable doesn't exist, he might just be vanilla and would have no way of knowing he was vanilla. Pretty much any role that depends on the existence of others roles that might not have been picked is probably a shitty role to pick.

Oh wow I just broke 3000 posts and now I have to look at these two assholes.

JJ @ 13/1/2015 21:24

Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:21 PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12 Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28 I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case. It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly. Speaking of responsibility, I kind of find Trick's decision douchy to discard Enabler... Why? Having that role means if Tricks is killed, whatever role he was enabling is disabled. I think enabler is a town hampering role.

And not existing means the person or people with the enabled roles become automatic vanilla(s). I would choose Enabler over anything if I wanted to be town.

PORL @ 13/1/2015 14:31

Oh wow I just broke 3000 posts and now I have to look at these two assholes.

Only 99 posts until you have to stare at two different assholes! You can do it!

Kru @ 13/1/2015 15:34

JJ @ 13/1/2015 21:24 Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:21 PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12 Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28 I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case. It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly. Speaking of responsibility, I kind of find Trick's decision douchy to discard Enabler... Why? Having that role means if Tricks is killed, whatever role he was enabling is disabled. I think enabler is a town hampering role. And not existing means the person or people with the enabled roles become automatic vanilla(s). I would choose Enabler over anything if I wanted to be town.

I would choose anything but Vanilla over Enabler.

dr @ 13/1/2015 15:34

PORL @ 13/1/2015 14:31 Oh wow I just broke 3000 posts and now I have to look at these two assholes. Only 99 posts until you have to stare at two different assholes! You can do it!

It'll never happen. I have several six month hiatuses in the pipeline.

There are a total of 13 Mafia roles left, 9 if you disregard the Mafia Goons.

So it seems like the Mafia faction's at 9 or less, which makes it seem like things could be relatively balanced.

That being said, there's also Werewolves out there with a total of 14 roles left, 11 if you disregard the Werewolf vanillas.

Counting the Aliens, Serial Killers and Cult this is likely to become a crazier game with as many factions as Sppoky Castle 2.

Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:34

JJ @ 13/1/2015 21:24 Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:21 PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12 Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28 I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case. It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly. Speaking of responsibility, I kind of find Trick's decision douchy to discard Enabler... Why? Having that role means if Tricks is killed, whatever role he was enabling is disabled. I think enabler is a town hampering role. And not existing means the person or people with the enabled roles become automatic vanilla(s). I would choose Enabler over anything if I wanted to be town.

How do you know that?

Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:34

JJ @ 13/1/2015 21:24 Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:21 PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12 Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28 I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case. It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly. Speaking of responsibility, I kind of find Trick's decision douchy to discard Enabler... Why? Having that role means if Tricks is killed, whatever role he was enabling is disabled. I think enabler is a town hampering role. And not existing means the person or people with the enabled roles become automatic vanilla(s). I would choose Enabler over anything if I wanted to be town.

It does? Do you mean in this particular set-up? I guess I never thought of that but if that's true it makes sense.

I sincerely hope that all four serial killers made the cut.

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PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12

Quote QUOTE PYRAMID How do you know that?

I don't know, I believe so, in typical mafia logic, no enabler = affected roles no working.

PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:35

Kru @ 13/1/2015 15:34 QUOTE PYRAMID I would choose anything but Vanilla over Enabler.

I would too if I know that Enabler only affects only one person's role.

I would think, no enabler = no effect on anything at all and ppl will just keep their roles. With 139 (?) cards, it's very likely there isn't even an enabler in the draw.

Chances are there aren't roles (ex: deputy) that depend on other roles (ex: cop) that depend on other roles. (ex: enabler) That would be pretty silly. Not having an enabler probably just means there is no enabler, not there are no enablers or roles the enabler would have enabled