I think it's rather unlikely that something happened with the gun in night 1. If there was mafia, a vig, an SK, AND Curtis possibly dying (definitely dying ? based on what Raptor said?) from recruiting then that's four possibilities for a victim that night and there were three victims. If you add the gun it would be five possibilities. So I'm thinking either Angi was killed by the gun or it was used later/not at all.

I agree with you on the D3 and D4 train theory, but I'm leaning towards Chris the most, also given his D1 vote based on some other game. I think the D3 votes are more telling since D4 it really didn't matter at all.

Christian @ 24/12/2014 11:58

I will believe Kat's claim for now, only because she offered the information without being pressured and it seems like a Town role, but it's kind of convenient that she gave a gun to Shadow and claimed that he's responsible for one of the deaths, when he's not here to confirm. If Shadow had been given a gun, do you think he'd have shared that information with us? That could have been helpful to know. Just playing devil's advocate, trying to look at all sides of the equation. And if Lamps and Kat are in league with each other, then Lamps could easily confirm that he received a vest. And now that Kat's role is done, we may not question why she'll be surviving each night. Although if Shadow did kill someone on Night 1, it'd have been either Nofo, Curtis, or Aries and I could see him choosing to take out 2 of the 3 of them. :P

I guess it's convenient that she gave the gun to someone who has died but it's not implausible that Shadow wouldn't have told us. I don't know why he didn't, though. It wouldn't reveal his role but it would clear up a kill. I'm guessing it was the day kill and Shadow killed Angi, if what Kat's saying is true, though. Kat gave the gun night 1, Angi died day 2. Shadow did say something about the game sucking after Angi was killed, though. I guess I buy it for now because giving Lamps a vest is something which could be proven/dis-proven in the future unless they're both scum and devised this story together.

Lamps, did you get a vest?

I woulda confirmed if I knew for sure, but I was not informed that I received anything. So I asked if hypothetically one would be informed when receiving items, and that's not the case with passive stuff. I don't think Kat made this up though.

I mean it's definitely not implausible that he wasn't informed of a BP vest. In theory you aren't told of a doctor saves you and you weren't killed. However, it could justly be a lie, if one item is something given such as a gun, you would think that would carry through with the rest of the role, no? personally I'd think there'd be some sort of consistency in terms of a role that gives items. but that's just me.

unless I am missing something from the past few days (likely) Angis death is unaccounted for and that does support Kats role.

I'm not going to be around much at all today so this could be my only post.

I honestly didnt expect Moose to be scum at all, and now that he flipped scum, I look really bad. Not only did I constantly say he was probably town but I protecting him too. I voted for him last minute because my vote was doing nothing alone on I think Patrick at the time, so I said FUCK IT might as well contribute.

My role sucks ass, but I think I actually might be the reason nothing happened last night. That's really all I've got.

Wish I could say I've had a chance to research more now that Moose flipped, but I haven't had a chance and I need to jet now. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!

Vernon of 2014 @ 24/12/2014 14:11

I'm not going to be around much at all today so this could be my only post. I honestly didnt expect Moose to be scum at all, and now that he flipped scum, I look really bad. Not only did I constantly say he was probably town but I protecting him too. I voted for him last minute because my vote was doing nothing alone on I think Patrick at the time, so I said FUCK IT might as well contribute. My role sucks ass, but I think I actually might be the reason nothing happened last night. That's really all I've got. Wish I could say I've had a chance to research more now that Moose flipped, but I haven't had a chance and I need to jet now. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!

You think you are the reason nothing happened last night but your role sucks? Sounds like a powerful role to me. I think you should elaborate now. Otherwise, I think you look shady for this whole post and for then running. Did you believe Moose was actually doctor after Dylan flipped?

I was gonna say I liked Christians deductions about the ppl on the moose and kimmy train and then lynch vern but I don't think vern would have been so vocal about protecting moose if he knew she would flip scum.

I wouldn't mind a tony or Chris lynch. Don't have much of an opinion on either.

Also Kat's claim seems legit to me. Other than the fact that she didn't tell us a name but just what she did. Something like that sounds more town aligned I would assume

Ms. Claus @ 24/12/2014 15:32

Did you believe Moose was actually doctor after Dylan flipped?

Forgot about this lmfao. How vocal was Vernon about moose being town yesterday? I forget and am driving to work but can check soon

And I agree the rest of the post sounded iffy cuz it was basically a soft claim w/o explaining anything.

Samm @ 24/12/2014 20:04

I mean it's definitely not implausible that he wasn't informed of a BP vest. In theory you aren't told of a doctor saves you and you weren't killed. However, it could justly be a lie, if one item is something given such as a gun, you would think that would carry through with the rest of the role, no? personally I'd think there'd be some sort of consistency in terms of a role that gives items. but that's just me.

You can just ask vic if you'd be informed, that's what I did lol.

Let me just say there are too many people soft-claiming unnecessarily. I could name a couple but I won't. But then Vernon makes his post on the heels of people basically asking for such a role to come out. It just doesn't make sense to me, especially after he said his role sucks so much.

I'll be around a lot more later, still running around and doing some last minute holiday things before places close. I still haven't read everything from today but I should have time later.


-I'm all in on Vernon being scum.
-I could settle on an Animal or Chris lynch today as well. After receiving some suspicion, Animal is quick to bring up Christian's analysis of the trains, without providing much else on that topic.

But most importantly

-I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday!

I don't have much to bring up right now since I'm driving to work and already late lol. I feel like I've brought up more when ivd had more time oops red light IIS grewn bye

Animal @ 24/12/2014 15:03

ivd had more time oops red light IIS grewn bye

obv scum tell