Spin @ 5/1/2019 21:37

Christian @ 5/1/2019 20:19 Spin @ 5/1/2019 21:12 I still find it funny Helios doesn't understand how his 3rd-vote thing contradicts his absolutely-not-no-lynch thing. That, plus Ahoda was sort of his counter-train, is what gives me slight scum vibes. Guess we wait to see what he says when he shows up. The only way it's different is that you get the third voter's role information if they're lynched on Day 1, as opposed to no information at all with a no-lynch. While this is true, that wasn't his argument. He said that if you no-lynch, you can't do vote analysis later in the game. That contradicts his 3rd voter strategy.

Right, then what you said makes sense. There's nothing to look back on.

Jestdrrr @ 5/1/2019 21:04

Helios is generally against no lynches by policy, so it's something he's always going to complain about. I'd argue it came off as a bit of an ARGUMENT CRUTCH yesterday, where we had a mechanic introduced to us that made a no lynch more useful

9.5 times out of 10, No Lynching is a detriment to the Town. There's no information from a flip. Already today, we have had discussion about 1) a shock that Ahoda flipped Town, 2) concern that I seemed to be a psuedo-countertrain (with 2 votes, lol), and 3) a discussion about if Nav's scumlist is legit, or if the actual scum are using it to frame someone (specifically, Buffy). None of this would've been possible if we went with a NL, which would've almost certainly led to none of this happening. So yeah, I'm staunchly anti-NL.

As for my D1 vote...I'd like someone to tell me why voting for NL would've been better than the vote I did end up casting.

Cody @ 5/1/2019 21:54

I was honestly feeling Primate was scum day1, even tho my lynch vote on him WAS for lolz.

Alternately, how is a D1 vote "for lolz" any different than what I do D1?

Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 0:00

Jestdrrr @ 5/1/2019 21:04 Helios is generally against no lynches by policy, so it's something he's always going to complain about. I'd argue it came off as a bit of an ARGUMENT CRUTCH yesterday, where we had a mechanic introduced to us that made a no lynch more useful 9.5 times out of 10, No Lynching is a detriment to the Town. There's no information from a flip. Already today, we have had discussion about 1) a shock that Ahoda flipped Town, 2) concern that I seemed to be a psuedo-countertrain (with 2 votes, lol), and 3) a discussion about if Nav's scumlist is legit, or if the actual scum are using it to frame someone (specifically, Buffy). None of this would've been possible if we went with a NL, which would've almost certainly led to none of this happening. So yeah, I'm staunchly anti-NL. As for my D1 vote...I'd like someone to tell me why voting for NL would've been better than the vote I did end up casting.

actually even a no lynch would allow us to discuss Nav's list as his death was not contingent on being lynched.

Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 0:00

Jestdrrr @ 5/1/2019 21:04 Helios is generally against no lynches by policy, so it's something he's always going to complain about. I'd argue it came off as a bit of an ARGUMENT CRUTCH yesterday, where we had a mechanic introduced to us that made a no lynch more useful 9.5 times out of 10, No Lynching is a detriment to the Town. There's no information from a flip. Already today, we have had discussion about 1) a shock that Ahoda flipped Town, 2) concern that I seemed to be a psuedo-countertrain (with 2 votes, lol), and 3) a discussion about if Nav's scumlist is legit, or if the actual scum are using it to frame someone (specifically, Buffy). None of this would've been possible if we went with a NL, which would've almost certainly led to none of this happening. So yeah, I'm staunchly anti-NL. As for my D1 vote...I'd like someone to tell me why voting for NL would've been better than the vote I did end up casting.

Yeah, I don't really see the big difference in how a no lynch would help in this set up as opposed to other set ups.

im317 @ 6/1/2019 0:11

Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 0:00 Jestdrrr @ 5/1/2019 21:04 Helios is generally against no lynches by policy, so it's something he's always going to complain about. I'd argue it came off as a bit of an ARGUMENT CRUTCH yesterday, where we had a mechanic introduced to us that made a no lynch more useful 9.5 times out of 10, No Lynching is a detriment to the Town. There's no information from a flip. Already today, we have had discussion about 1) a shock that Ahoda flipped Town, 2) concern that I seemed to be a psuedo-countertrain (with 2 votes, lol), and 3) a discussion about if Nav's scumlist is legit, or if the actual scum are using it to frame someone (specifically, Buffy). None of this would've been possible if we went with a NL, which would've almost certainly led to none of this happening. So yeah, I'm staunchly anti-NL. As for my D1 vote...I'd like someone to tell me why voting for NL would've been better than the vote I did end up casting. actually even a no lynch would allow us to discuss Nav's list as his death was not contingent on being lynched.

Would we have even gotten his list if we went straight for the NL? His first list showed up about 3 hours before deadline, his final list 12 minutes before deadline.

Helios Garabandia @ 5/1/2019 21:01

Cody @ 5/1/2019 21:54 I was honestly feeling Primate was scum day1, even tho my lynch vote on him WAS for lolz. Alternately, how is a D1 vote "for lolz" any different than what I do D1?

From what i have GATHERED from my two mafia games is that people throw silly troll votes d1 to start and get some discussion going, and then end up switching them later.

What i meant here is that i did NOT switch from my 'lolz' vote to a different vote because it just so happened my lols vote ended up on who i believed to be scum at the time.

Also I dont think ive attacked your third vote strategy, so im not sure if youre asking ME this question specifically or what, but yeah xD

Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 0:59

im317 @ 6/1/2019 0:11 Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 0:00 Jestdrrr @ 5/1/2019 21:04 Helios is generally against no lynches by policy, so it's something he's always going to complain about. I'd argue it came off as a bit of an ARGUMENT CRUTCH yesterday, where we had a mechanic introduced to us that made a no lynch more useful 9.5 times out of 10, No Lynching is a detriment to the Town. There's no information from a flip. Already today, we have had discussion about 1) a shock that Ahoda flipped Town, 2) concern that I seemed to be a psuedo-countertrain (with 2 votes, lol), and 3) a discussion about if Nav's scumlist is legit, or if the actual scum are using it to frame someone (specifically, Buffy). None of this would've been possible if we went with a NL, which would've almost certainly led to none of this happening. So yeah, I'm staunchly anti-NL. As for my D1 vote...I'd like someone to tell me why voting for NL would've been better than the vote I did end up casting. actually even a no lynch would allow us to discuss Nav's list as his death was not contingent on being lynched. Would we have even gotten his list if we went straight for the NL? His first list showed up about 3 hours before deadline, his final list 12 minutes before deadline.

We can still discuss things without all automatically going for the no lynch. Voting no lynch doesn't negate the day. It's a viable option thats open for debate and usually not worth it unless the circumstances call for it. It's not a get out of day free card

Helios Garabandia @ 5/1/2019 23:01

Cody @ 5/1/2019 21:54 I was honestly feeling Primate was scum day1, even tho my lynch vote on him WAS for lolz. Alternately, how is a D1 vote "for lolz" any different than what I do D1?

Because no vote is ever "for lolz", but done with a purpose. You can evaluate "for lolz" votes later in the game. You can't evaluate your dumb strategy.

So are we actually gonna find scum today or what?

Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 10:11

So are we actually gonna find scum today or what?

Guess that depends on if you are going to tell us who are the rest of the people on your team.

Day Two Lynch Count
Helios (1/7) - Lamps

Deadline is tonight at 7PM.

bah, overnight and morning people with very little content. not that i have any myself.

Buffy @ 6/1/2019 0:40

Helios Garabandia @ 6/1/2019 0:00 Jestdrrr @ 5/1/2019 21:04 Helios is generally against no lynches by policy, so it's something he's always going to complain about. I'd argue it came off as a bit of an ARGUMENT CRUTCH yesterday, where we had a mechanic introduced to us that made a no lynch more useful 9.5 times out of 10, No Lynching is a detriment to the Town. There's no information from a flip. Already today, we have had discussion about 1) a shock that Ahoda flipped Town, 2) concern that I seemed to be a psuedo-countertrain (with 2 votes, lol), and 3) a discussion about if Nav's scumlist is legit, or if the actual scum are using it to frame someone (specifically, Buffy). None of this would've been possible if we went with a NL, which would've almost certainly led to none of this happening. So yeah, I'm staunchly anti-NL. As for my D1 vote...I'd like someone to tell me why voting for NL would've been better than the vote I did end up casting. Yeah, I don't really see the big difference in how a no lynch would help in this set up as opposed to other set ups.

well Ahoda woulds still be alive(assuming the kill does not change) and there would be a chance he would have a role that was discarded. so there is the potential for an additional town power role in play.

I don’t see many alternatives to the Helios lynch. Also it looks like ppl are not jumping on it, and with 3-4 scum still in the game I feel like at least one of them would have jumped on board in case Helios is town.

Christian @ 5/1/2019 17:14

Lamps @ 5/1/2019 20:10 I liked where my vote was yesterday. ##lynch Helios I don't think this is a bad place to start. I was thinking maybe Brian, but I'm over that.

Why were you thinking Brian? And then why were you over it?